Observation of mine for candidate selection by voters

[07torchgt]

I don't mean to offend anyone here so don't take this the wrong.

I have noticed all around me and around my family back in Tennessee that most red blooded hard working folks seem to side with McCain... I haven't personally ran across one Obama supporter... The folks I hear from on the TV seem to be lazy shifty folks looking for a handout or just want to make a statement... Are any of you guys Obama supporters and why... Again, no offense but I am looking to hear from someone who isn't looking for a handout and telling about it on TV...

[94tbird]

i am against both of em. im voting for myself

check out this sarah palin interview lol

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/27/tina-fey-as-sarah-palin-k_n_129956.html

[Krahzee1]

Do some research on McCain and his say one thing and do another campaign. Specifically his record with the different veterans organizations which he claims to be his strong suit. Not to mention the sarah palin choice, ugh.

this again will be an election of the lesser of two evils, and obama is it.

[silverGTvert]

i am against both of em. im voting for myself

check out this sarah palin interview lol

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/27/tina-fey-as-sarah-palin-k_n_129956.html

Ummm..........Ron if you elect yourself just don't fly. You never know what you might break next.

[94tbird]

ill have air force one i wont need to worry

[Herknav]

Who know what will fall of THAT thing if you fly it though...

[ixtlan]

I was a Huckabee fan at the onset.
But McCain has swayed me his way.
It comes down to values.
Should the Government tell me what and how to live my life?
Should we continue with the failed agenda we have today?
Oh that agenda is set by the Democrats who are in charge of the House and Senate BTW regardless of the Bush pointing.
Change is what we need.
But who's view of "Change" do we go with?
Liberal or Conservative?
Do we lean Socialism or Republic?
I lean Republic.
But I am not Middle of the road either.

[Krahzee1]

I was a Huckabee fan at the onset.
But McCain has swayed me his way.
It comes down to values.
Should the Government tell me what and how to live my life?
Should we continue with the failed agenda we have today?
Oh that agenda is set by the Democrats who are in charge of the House and Senate BTW regardless of the Bush pointing.
Change is what we need.
But who's view of "Change" do we go with?
Liberal or Conservative?
Do we lean Socialism or Republic?
I lean Republic.
But I am not Middle of the road either.

I hate to tell you, but McCain will be bush's third term.

How can you bring up values with Palin on the ticket?

[ixtlan]

I hate to tell you, but McCain will be bush's third term.


How can you bring up values with Palin on the ticket?

Bush Third term NOT

What are you referring to?
The Daughter?
:stir:

[Krahzee1]

Bush Third term NOT

What are you referring to?
The Daughter?
:stir:

the daughter is but one example of preaching a platform but not living it.
not to mention her current ethics investigation aka troopergate, not to mention her current platform against wasteful spending while having been elected governor on a "build the bridge" (bridge to nowhere) campaign where she still supported the 26 milllion dollar road to the bridge to nowhere even after it had been scrubbed.

She's a mess, a gimmick that has completely backfired against the McCain campaign, and surely not qualified to be a heartbeat away from the presidency.

btw, explain to me why McCain will not be bush's third term, even though he has spoken in support of most of bush's major policies

[Bingo]

Vote for Bob Barr of the Libertarian party. We gotta get rid of this two-party system.

[Dex]

I hate to tell you, but McCain will be bush's third term.




Typical liberal response.

[Freaknazty]

im not saying mcain is the best there is but obama ? really come on guys this dudes a fuckin flake .... no disrespect to any racial ethnicity's but the main reason he is so popular is because hes black and the black / minority population wants him to be pres just because that ( now i am not racial by any means so do not even try to throw that shit my way ) this was said by more than 1 black person on public radio might i add they even said they didnt want him to because he would fuck things up for the next good black pres that would try to run .......

[Hawgman]

I'm to the point that I want Obama to get elected just so I can sit back and laugh at everyone that thought he was so fucking great. I just hope everyone is ready for that "change"... you know why he keeps preaching that? Because "change" is all you are going to have left in your pocket when the Dems finish with us. Think I am wrong? The Dem controlled house voted down the bailout today. Market dropped over 700 points immediately after it was announced.

freaknazty-You are absolutely correct. There will be more african americans voting in this election than any other election in history. And what.. maybe 10% of them will have a clue and actually be basing their vote on political beliefs? The rest will be doing exactly what you said, voting for the black guy. So why worry about what someone wants to label you if all you are doing is speaking the truth? Someone other than a white person tells the truth about any other race and it is acceptable. A white person tells the truth about another race and they are racists? Fuck that.. I'm fucking white. I am going to speak my mind. And if it offends someone of another race, too damn bad. Why am I supposed to turn the other cheek when they say what is on thier mind if I am not able to do the same? Not gonna happen. And if any of them (or any pussy assed no racial pride having white people) don't like it, then line right up and kiss my gun totin' beer drinking fast car no gas mileage driving cigarette smoking non god believing call em like I see em non politically correct lilly white ass. I am sick and fucking tired of the pussification of America.

[07torchgt]

I'm to the point that I want Obama to get elected just so I can sit back and laugh at everyone that thought he was so fucking great. I just hope everyone is ready for that "change"... you know why he keeps preaching that? Because "change" is all you are going to have left in your pocket when the Dems finish with us. Think I am wrong? The Dem controlled house voted down the bailout today. Market dropped over 700 points immediately after it was announced.

freaknazty-You are absolutely correct. There will be more african americans voting in this election than any other election in history. And what.. maybe 10% of them will have a clue and actually be basing their vote on political beliefs? The rest will be doing exactly what you said, voting for the black guy. So why worry about what someone wants to label you if all you are doing is speaking the truth? Someone other than a white person tells the truth about any other race and it is acceptable. A white person tells the truth about another race and they are racists? Fuck that.. I'm fucking white. I am going to speak my mind. And if it offends someone of another race, too damn bad. Why am I supposed to turn the other cheek when they say what is on thier mind if I am not able to do the same? Not gonna happen. And if any of them (or any pussy assed no racial pride having white people) don't like it, then line right up and kiss my gun totin' beer drinking fast car no gas mileage driving cigarette smoking non god believing call em like I see em non politically correct lilly white ass. I am sick and fucking tired of the pussification of America.



A-muthafuckin'-MEN.... have one on me for that:bigbeer::beer:


except for the non-god believing here...

[Dex]

+2...

[cekim]

I live, paradoxically, both a stone's throw from where the first shots of the American Revolution were fired and amongst the liberal wealthy elite who Obama counts among is supporters...

To be fair, Hillary took this state, but there are plenty of $1M+ houses around with Obama signs in their yard...

I think the reason so many are supporting him despite is total lack of experience, plan or other qualifications for the job is the perception that he might offer something other than what we have seen and few argue that it has been good - the argument is who is to blame for how we got here?

I think the liberals are idiots and their policies will be the downfall of this nation, but the Republicans have been every bit as socialist and destructive to this country... We got here after decades of mis-management, not just Bush's screw ups. A lot of our problems really festered under Clinton as well, but in reality, most are a function of the Federal Reserve and BOTH parties progressive increase in government's role in our lives...

So, when you have a ticket that assuages their liberal guilt AND is NOT George Bush, that gets a lot of votes in the negative (i.e. against Bush and McCain as his supposed proxy) without Obama having to say much at all other than "I am not that guy". Things have been rough since 9/11 and they like the idea of an "uplifting speaker" (though they will soon find that happy words will not help our issues).

I really can understand where they are coming from since I see no party which reflects my values (economic conservatism, social libertarianism, secular governance).

I think they are wrong to pick such a violent socialist when what we so desperately need is less government, but I am sympathetic for their desire for "change at any cost"...

I won't make excuses for Bush, he screwed up Iraq, he kept the economic shell game Clinton/Greenspan perfected and tried to paper over reality hoping they could fix it before anyone noticed...

Unfortuantely, we finally noticed...

McCain IMHO at least has the possibility of accomplishing what we need - strip government of its power, drastic cuts in all services at the federal level (shifting responsibility to the local level), swallow the hard pills and get back to stability.

BUT, I will concede, he and the Republicrats are only slightly less socialistic than the dems right now. So, in putting odds of McCain doing what needs to be done vs Obama - i'd put it at 51/49 in favor of McCain...

[Hawgman]

......the Republicrats...

That right there sums it up my friend. Hell, take the war out of the equation and GWB has been the best president the democrats have had in years.

What a piece of work.. Everyone here voted for him because we wanted him the hell out of Texas (same excuse my parents who live in Arkansas gave for Clinton). And to demonstrate how badly we want him back here, everyone keeps voting against every place he puts up as a candidate for his library.

[cekim]

That right there sums it up my friend. Hell, take the war out of the equation and GWB has been the best president the democrats have had in years.
Even with the war - he screwed it up like any good Dem president would...

Tried to over-reach and make it look "pretty" when we needed to say from the outset it was not going to be pretty... We had a moral/ethical obligation to either end the sanctions or kill Saddam - who we created...

Ever since Korea we seem stuck in this rut of being willing to start wars but unwilling to fight them. Political boundaries, proxy wars, no bomb zones, untouchable targets, etc...

Endless cold wars and sanctions kill even better than bombs and bullets if you add up the body count - only they kill the weak, political minority and generally non-combative more effectively.

Can't see the humanitarian stance there - "let's starve the women and children and cut them off from medical care while the government and army of the "enemy" nation continues on well fed and doing arms deals with the French and Russian government" - WTF?

How cares about WMD - that arrangement was absurd...

We seem to have lost sight of the reality that life often makes you choose between the lesser of evils rather than offering you a "good" and "bad" option. Even more so when it comes to foreign affairs...

Oh well, on the bright side whomever inherits this steaming pile of a nation/economy will be vilified by history in such a way that makes Bush look like Mickey Mouse. So, perhaps its better that it be Obama.

My fear is that we will not come out on the other side with our constitution, courts, freedoms, etc... But that fear is almost as much of a problem with the Republicrats these days...

[Freaknazty]

lol you know y obama preaches about change right ?

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lmao and i agree with you as far as the whole racial shit , we are the only race that gets criticized for being racist , they still pushing the reperation bullshit you know they actually got as far as to make congress do a written appology ...... when the thing i dont get is there were millions on millions of mexican , italian , white , native americans slaves before they even had black slaves so wtf is that shit about

[07torchgt]

lol you know y obama preaches about change right ?

C ome
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lmao and i agree with you as far as the whole racial shit , we are the only race that gets criticized for being racist , they still pushing the reperation bullshit you know they actually got as far as to make congress do a written appology ...... when the thing i dont get is there were millions on millions of mexican , italian , white , native americans slaves before they even had black slaves so wtf is that shit about


No really... I actually LOLed at that... hahaha:roflmao:

[Dex]

yea, that is funny shit

[LAK3RS]

I'm to the point that I want Obama to get elected just so I can sit back and laugh at everyone that thought he was so fucking great. I just hope everyone is ready for that "change"... you know why he keeps preaching that? Because "change" is all you are going to have left in your pocket when the Dems finish with us. Think I am wrong? The Dem controlled house voted down the bailout today. Market dropped over 700 points immediately after it was announced.

freaknazty-You are absolutely correct. There will be more african americans voting in this election than any other election in history. And what.. maybe 10% of them will have a clue and actually be basing their vote on political beliefs? The rest will be doing exactly what you said, voting for the black guy. So why worry about what someone wants to label you if all you are doing is speaking the truth? Someone other than a white person tells the truth about any other race and it is acceptable. A white person tells the truth about another race and they are racists? Fuck that.. I'm fucking white. I am going to speak my mind. And if it offends someone of another race, too damn bad. Why am I supposed to turn the other cheek when they say what is on thier mind if I am not able to do the same? Not gonna happen. And if any of them (or any pussy assed no racial pride having white people) don't like it, then line right up and kiss my gun totin' beer drinking fast car no gas mileage driving cigarette smoking non god believing call em like I see em non politically correct lilly white ass. I am sick and fucking tired of the pussification of America.

Doc...you are god!

[Hawgman]

Doc...you are god!

Please don't try to flatter me ( or insult me ) by referring to me as a false prophet or entity of which I do not believe exists.

But thanks.. I know what you were getting at. By all means feel free to use my rant in one of your school papers :roflmao:

[cekim]

By all means feel free to use my rant in one of your school papers :roflmao:
Careful, you might get sent off to a re-education camp if you do that...

Wrong-thinking will be punished...

[Dex]

V for Vendetta.....black bag your ass

[Hawgman]

thinking will be punished...

There, fixed it for ya.

[cekim]

There, fixed it for ya.
Thank you brother, that is double-plus good now, I see the error of my ways...

[Hawgman]

Thank you brother, that is double-plus good now, I see the error of my ways...

But by seeing the error of your ways that means you must have thought...

Off to the torture rack with you!

[LAK3RS]

Please don't try to flatter me ( or insult me ) by referring to me as a false prophet or entity of which I do not believe exists.

But thanks.. I know what you were getting at. By all means feel free to use my rant in one of your school papers :roflmao:

Thank you very much, I'll be using this and quoting you in Government tomorrow morning! My professor is gonna shit a brick!

[cekim]

Off to the torture rack with you!
Crap, I forgot about the "I'll say anything trap"...

Trying to "believe" the bullshit - hold on give me a sec...

[cekim]

Thank you very much, I'll be using this and quoting you in Government tomorrow morning! My professor is gonna shit a brick!
Is he going to be sure to offset his carbon credits on that brick shit? I am sure some methane will escape from behind that brick... :idea:

[Hawgman]

Is he going to be sure to offset his carbon credits on that brick shit? I am sure some methane will escape from behind that brick... :idea:


So would that be a carbon buttprint?

[Freaknazty]

Thank you very much, I'll be using this and quoting you in Government tomorrow morning! My professor is gonna shit a brick!

shit a brick i dont think so if you say that shit you will be promply escorted to jail for being a racist and making fuck how they call it fuck i dunno my dumb ass is off the deep end this week lol

anyway fuck go for it let us know how it goes lol and if it wouldn't be so fucking long i think i would tag it to my sig ..... but god knows we dont need to be giving don ideas again lol

[cekim]

So would that be a carbon buttprint?
Hmm, well since the whole concept of carbon offsetting is bullshit and the people espousing it are full of shit, you might be on to something there...

Perhaps this does need to be re-framed in an "anal" context?

[Freaknazty]

so an anal imprint ? naaa naa cant be it would have to be more like this ....





now that will make a carbom imprint lmao

[cekim]

so an anal imprint ? naaa naa cant be it would have to be more like this ....
now that will make a carbom imprint lmao

Well, that left a mark (imprint) in my brain... Trying to "unsee" it now...

[don_w]

By all means feel free to use my rant in one of your school papers
Can I use it in my sig? :thumb:

[Krahzee1]

Bush and the republicans have stripped more of your personal freedoms than any other regime in our history. All of you who are calling Bush a democrat should ask yourself why you voted for him.

As I said before, this election is again a lesser of two evils, obama is the less evil choice.

[Freaknazty]

Can I use it in my sig? :thumb:


see guys i told you lmao dammit here we go again :roflmao:

[don_w]

As I said before, this election is again a lesser of two evils, obama is the less evil choice.
Oh brother...

[Freaknazty]

and if the choice was between obama and fuckin sadam it would be a hard decision lol this should be an easy 1

[Hawgman]

Bush and the republicans have stripped more of your personal freedoms than any other regime in our history. All of you who are calling Bush a democrat should ask yourself why you voted for him.

As I said before, this election is again a lesser of two evils, obama is the less evil choice.

I don't see where anyone called him a democrat. I referred to him as the best president the democrats have had in a while. And I stick by that. So if you are referring to me when you say you should ask why you voted for him. Let me make it easy for you.. I didn't.

But make sure you remember that little self examining quiz in a couple of years when you are scratching your head because you don't have enough left in your wallet to put a lump in your ass and you are sitting there wondering who the hell it was that voted for Token.

[Krahzee1]

I don't see where anyone called him a democrat. I referred to him as the best president the democrats have had in a while. And I stick by that. So if you are referring to me when you say you should ask why you voted for him. Let me make it easy for you.. I didn't.

But make sure you remember that little self examining quiz in a couple of years when you are scratching your head because you don't have enough left in your wallet to put a lump in your ass and you are sitting there wondering who the hell it was that voted for Token.

If you actually had knowledge of Obama's tax plan you would know that unless you are in the top 5% of income brackets your taxes will actually go down.

Do a little research into the candidates instead of standing by the republican rhetoric, take a look into McCain's past, his flip-flopping in order to position himself for this presidential race, take a close look into his time in the hanoi hilton, and his actual record when it comes to voting against the veterans. McCain is nothing that he claims to be. He did serve his country but he has done nothing but serve himself since.

Bush has signed every spending increase to cross his desk since he was elected, and that fact is outside of the war. Tell me again who will increase your taxes.

[cekim]

Do a little research into the candidates instead of standing by the republican rhetoric, take a look into McCain's past, his flip-flopping in order to position himself for this presidential race, take a close look into his time in the hanoi hilton, and his actual record when it comes to voting against the veterans.
His trip through the hilton is not the typical trip as result of his father's rank, but that didn't mean it was't literally torture and no less heroic. He stood by the POW code and sat there for multiple additional years as a result when he could have given in to the propaganda and gone home...

As for flip-flopping - politics is a messy business and you are going to have to change your stance on things regardless of party - the question is are those things intellectual decisions are ethical values?

Obama has not only flip-flopped, but out-right lied about his stance. Calling people he intends to meet in the future to tell them to ignore what he is about to say on TV (Canadian minister).

To liberals who say "you are just parroting" Fox or the Republican party - I say bite me, I don't watch Fox and I disagree with the Republicans almost as much as the Democrats these days...

Here in MA, we elected an empty candidate for Governer like Obama (Duval Patrick) with a campagn slogan of "together we can..." He made few if any concrete promises and went back on what little he did promise when he got into office and got a bucket full of reality to douse the BS fantasy fire he had burning in his head...

If you think that all Republicans are rallying behind McCain in a mindless human train, you are sadly mistaken - that sort of short-sightedness is reserved for liberal thinkers:roflmao: We are hoping to keep the US out of communism long enough to clean house and pull back from the abyss rather than accelerate into it as Obama plans...

As for the 5% tax cut-off promise - you are missing the reality of taxes which is those in the top tax brackets manage their income to manipulate their exposure to tax laws - none of that changes with his plan. If you make your money on a W2 - even if you are in the top 5% (100K-300K a year), you are the ones they are targeting with their tax policies...

Those that make their money from dividends, partnerships and capital gains will remain insulated from rising taxes as this is where the liberal elite lives along with the conservative elite. Neither is dumb enough to shit where they eat...

[Hawgman]

If you actually had knowledge of Obama's tax plan you would know that unless you are in the top 5% of income brackets your taxes will actually go down.


Since when is $200k the top 5% of a tax bracket?

[cekim]

Since when is $200k the top 5% of a tax bracket?
Dems will move that number wherever they need to in order to sway the person to whom they are speaking to think they are talking about taxing the "other guy"TM...

!@#$ing Class warriors...

http://www.ntu.org/main/page.php?PageID=6
http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u242/photobucketuname/tax_percentiles.gif

[Bingo]

I'm to the point that I want Obama to get elected just so I can sit back and laugh at everyone that thought he was so fucking great. I just hope everyone is ready for that "change"... you know why he keeps preaching that? Because "change" is all you are going to have left in your pocket when the Dems finish with us. Think I am wrong? The Dem controlled house voted down the bailout today. Market dropped over 700 points immediately after it was announced.
I think this article (http://www.gunowners.org/mcgungrab.htm) sums it up well...though I'd still be worried about having Obama as president.


The last thing we need is another liberal neocon in the White House. If the Presidency of George W. Bush proved anything, it proved the hazard of electing phony Republican conservatives. At least one is able to clearly see a liberal for what he or she is when they have a "D" behind their name. But put an "R" behind the name and suddenly their liberal, Big-Government, anti-freedom agenda is barely recognized, which makes a liberal Republican much more dangerous than a liberal Democrat.

Let me say it straight out: a John McCain Presidency would be far worse than a Barack Obama Presidency. With a Democrat in the White House, conservatives and Christians suddenly find their principles and are able to offer resistance. Put a Republican in the Oval Office, however, and those same people become blind, deaf, and dumb to most any principle they profess.

[FalconGTHO]

I hate to tell you, but McCain will be bush's third term.

How can you bring up values with Palin on the ticket?

I dont have a problem with that. Im ALWAYS against the Lib Dem, no matter what. I DONT WANT their rainbow lovin, illegal immigrant helping, feminist supporting, gun hating, affirmative action increasing, anti death penalty asses in charge.

[FalconGTHO]

Vote for Bob Barr of the Libertarian party. We gotta get rid of this two-party system.

A waste of a vote in the grand tradition of Anderson, Perot, Nader, et, al.

[FalconGTHO]

I'm to the point that I want Obama to get elected just so I can sit back and laugh at everyone that thought he was so fucking great. I just hope everyone is ready for that "change"... you know why he keeps preaching that? Because "change" is all you are going to have left in your pocket when the Dems finish with us. Think I am wrong? The Dem controlled house voted down the bailout today. Market dropped over 700 points immediately after it was announced.

freaknazty-You are absolutely correct. There will be more african americans voting in this election than any other election in history. And what.. maybe 10% of them will have a clue and actually be basing their vote on political beliefs? The rest will be doing exactly what you said, voting for the black guy. So why worry about what someone wants to label you if all you are doing is speaking the truth? Someone other than a white person tells the truth about any other race and it is acceptable. A white person tells the truth about another race and they are racists? Fuck that.. I'm fucking white. I am going to speak my mind. And if it offends someone of another race, too damn bad. Why am I supposed to turn the other cheek when they say what is on thier mind if I am not able to do the same? Not gonna happen. And if any of them (or any pussy assed no racial pride having white people) don't like it, then line right up and kiss my gun totin' beer drinking fast car no gas mileage driving cigarette smoking non god believing call em like I see em non politically correct lilly white ass. I am sick and fucking tired of the pussification of America.


LOL! KICK ASS Doc. God Bless ya. Oh wait, you dont believe, well, that sucks, God can Bless you anyway. Sucks you kill yourself with smoking though.

[07torchgt]

I dont have a problem with that. Im ALWAYS against the Lib Dem, no matter what. I DONT WANT their rainbow lovin, illegal immigrant helping, feminist supporting, gun hating, affirmative action increasing, anti death penalty asses in charge.


I like the way you put that:clap:

[Bingo]

A waste of a vote in the grand tradition of Anderson, Perot, Nader, et, al.
Shame you feel that way. It's a shame so many people feel that way. I'm sure many more people would vote 3rd party if they didn't feel it was a "wasted vote". You get 10-12% of people voting 3rd party and suddenly people wonder what's going on over there.

I can't bring myself to vote Obama, and McCain is almost as bad...so instead of voting for an evil, I may as well help make a dent into the 2-party system.

[FalconGTHO]

I like the way you put that:clap:

Well, given the rant Doc went on, I couldve added more, lol.

[FalconGTHO]

Shame you feel that way. It's a shame so many people feel that way. I'm sure many more people would vote 3rd party if they didn't feel it was a "wasted vote". You get 10-12% of people voting 3rd party and suddenly people wonder what's going on over there.

I can't bring myself to vote Obama, and McCain is almost as bad...so instead of voting for an evil, I may as well help make a dent into the 2-party system.


Its a completely fruitless effort, like Sysiphus pushing the rock. The two party shit is ingrained. Theres no more "Revolution" to be had. This is how it is, this is how it will stay. Why swim upstream, you just die tired.

[cekim]

A waste of a vote in the grand tradition of Anderson, Perot, Nader, et, al.
It is until it isn't...

Actually Bingo, we have a one party system - Republicrats...

It would be nice to get back to the days of 2 parties... Judging by the approval ratings (or lack thereof), we may be ready for a "new" party (or at least a major shift in one of the parties), but it is coming too late for this election cycle...

[Hawgman]

Like I have been saying for a year.. Ron Paul! Ron Paul! Ron Paul!

[cekim]

Like I have been saying for a year.. Ron Paul! Ron Paul! Ron Paul!
Most of his economic policies are basically sound. It troubles me that he cannot communicate them in an unscripted setting in so many cases...

I understand how difficult it is to explain this to the media idiots without strangling them, but someone who is going to finally sell reality needs to be better at communicating...

I don't agree with most of his social positions from a libertarian standpoint...

"What does God need with a starship?"

So, yes, I am holding him to a higher standard, but that is a pragmatic recognition that to pull off the "new party", you are going to have to be the shit and he isn't...

[Dex]

Romney 2012

If Obama does get elected everyone will be begging for a Conservative in the White House. I just hope he doesnt fuck everything up so bad that the next president deals with his shit and makes him look bad.

wait a tick...reminds me of clinton...

[Hawgman]

Ok.. so far you are an expert at critiquing everyone, but you have not told us who it is you do approve of (other than yourself). So who would it be for ya?

[Dex]

cekim?

[Hawgman]

Yes.. I was talking to cekim. Sorry

[US-1]

Pres: Me
VP: Hawg
SecTres: cekim
Warlord....er, I mean...SecDef: Got one picked out...former special ops commando and current biker. Hawg would like him.

[cekim]

Ok.. so far you are an expert at critiquing everyone, but you have not told us who it is you do approve of (other than yourself). So who would it be for ya?
I'd take Ron Paul of the primary candidates - just recognizing out loud he is not electable...

Between McCain and Obama, I have slightly less concern for being stripped of my rights during the disaster management that will be the next 4 years with McCain - but only slightly...

I actually think it might be good for our political system for Obama to win and fail - but see above, I am afraid of what he might do as we go down...

As for who my ideal candidate would be? Haven't heard anyone who really fits that bill. The "right" person has more common sense than to run for that job... I know plenty of people I might like to volunteer for the job...

[cekim]

BTW - regarding Romney...

My concern with him is that he is too eager to "deal"...

In doing so - he gave MA legally required health insurance and violates our constitutional rights with each tax return as we now have to testify against ourselves to "prove" that we have insurance. Otherwise, we are presumed guilty.

I can no more tolerate that than what Obama plans...

[Dex]

Romney is a successful business man. Wouldnt you rather have him right now with how the economy is going?

[cekim]

Romney is a successful business man. Wouldnt you rather have him right now with how the economy is going?
He is smart, he can talk, I just cannot forgive the giant step towards socialism he took in MA in the interest of "doing the deal"...

That's the trouble with the "business man" approach to government. It's good to have someone who understands economic realities, but there is a limit. Government is not business - the last thing we want is a for profit government (which we will have - at least they will attempt to make a profit - and fail with the bailout proposal).

You need to understand the economics, but you have to step outside your inner used car dealer and do what's best for the country rather than "doing the deal". Some times the best deal is no deal at all.

p.s. would I rather him than comrad NOBAMA Bin Laden? Yes... Yes I would...

[ChevyKiller]

Does it really matter?.... really?

The lesser of two evils is a gross understatement. The current administration has dug the ditch, buried the pipe, and cemented it in. The only shred of hope left is if this damn bailout plan doesn't pass in any way, shape, or form - no modifications, no reform, just flat out dies. If that happens, there is hope.

If this bailout goes through, then it doesn't really matter who is elected. The patriot act, stacking the supreme court, etc, etc. - the institutions have been deeply planted and are not going to simply dissappear when bush says goodbye cause it was never bush who pushed these things anyway. I laugh every time I hear how bush is so bad cause bush has never been more than a bad public relations coordinator.

It's hard to get mad at the greedy 'establishment' when their power has been gained so easily just from scaring the shit out of stupid people. It just seems more logical to get mad at the 'stupid people' and frustrated at the fact that those people are the majority of this country.

'You're going to lose you money if you don't let us destroy capitolism'

'You are going to see a bomb in your backyard if we can't scratch your amendment rights'

Who is more crazy - the fool who spills nonsense - or the fools who follow him? I'm just sitting back and waiting for the revolution. Laugh at me now, but believe me, when feeding your kids becomes a concern, things are going to get ugly.

[FalconGTHO]

Actually Bingo, we have a one party system - Republicrats...


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So sadly true these last two election cycles. Screw parties, Im about IDEOLOGY. You either lead and vote from a Liberal standpoint or a Conservative one. Thats all that matters to me. And if youre Lib, you need to be eliminated.