Methanol injection with my setup

So what does your Safe Injection module do? I mean practically, since it can't pull the timing? Mine just triggers an LED in the dash.

The Safe Injection is good for detecting low flow and over flow situations. If a tube comes out of a connection or a line breaks, or pump motor goes bad, it will detect and trigger the warning signal. It will drop boost pressure in supercharged or turbocharged applications, or cut ignition.


It's prob one of the most needed tools with running a meth kit.

Here is a pic of where I mounted mine. Its piggy backed with the computer module.


And here is a pic of the meth flow gauge. Not absolutely necessary, but I like to keep an eye on it..For me, the safe inj was a must. My car is tuned for it, and I am running a 3.48 pulley and seeing 12 lbs. of boost up top with no after cooler, lol..

Steve@DezRacing said:

The Safe Injection is good for detecting low flow and over flow situations. If a tube comes out of a connection or a line breaks, or pump motor goes bad, it will detect and trigger the warning signal. It will drop boost pressure in supercharged or turbocharged applications, or cut ignition.


It's prob one of the most needed tools with running a meth kit.

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I know. That's not what I was asking.

In a practical application, what would you do? How would you have it hooked up? It can't retard the timing with the Spanish Oak computer.

As previously mentioned, mine just triggers a bright as sh#t LED in my dash cluster, but I have thought about doing the bypass solenoid on the green wire.

Steedman07 said:

And here is a pic of the meth flow gauge. Not absolutely necessary, but I like to keep an eye on it..For me, the safe inj was a must. My car is tuned for it, and I am running a 3.48 pulley and seeing 12 lbs. of boost up top with no after cooler, lol..

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I like your gauge setup! I really wonder what kind of voltage the yellow wire outputs, and if there would be a way to log it with an analog input on the X3.

Steedman07 said:

Here is a pic of where I mounted mine. Its piggy backed with the computer module.

And here is a pic of the meth flow gauge. Not absolutely necessary, but I like to keep an eye on it..For me, the safe inj was a must. My car is tuned for it, and I am running a 3.48 pulley and seeing 12 lbs. of boost up top with no after cooler, lol..

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my computer isnt showing a pic, but the other guy said he likes your gauge setup, whats going on. can anyone else see a pic?

don't mean to high jack but on a whipple dose any one know a thread that shows how to install meth injection to the bottom of the whipple intake

Kraftsman said:

my computer isnt showing a pic, but the other guy said he likes your gauge setup, whats going on. can anyone else see a pic?

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You can check them out in the gallery as well..

im planning to add a dual nozzle kit with in the next few months, i will not be re-tuning for it......it will be activated on a hobbs/boost switch to only come on around 5 psi. Only thing i want it for is to lower the iat's when im in boost.

Mine comes on full at 4 psi..It definitely helps me with IAT's seeing as I dont have any other form of cooling..

I'm planning on installing a kit on my car in the future aswell after having such success with my other car.

I'm running an intercooled whipple S/C. Would it help me to add a Snow water/methanol kit in addition to the intercooler. I'm looking to lower IAT's when @ the track & wouldn't mind an increase in hp/tq. I run a custom 93 octane tune on street/track.

If you put meth and do not tune you will actually loose power if you leave everything the same...

As for snow performance, snow meth kits were release what? 6 years ago and haven't changed one bit... The pump is still a 150psi, the pump internals can't handle 100% meth, obviously they say on their webpage not to use 100% meth because bla bla bla it will not benefit. Could it be that their pump can't handl 100% meth? Look at cooling myst, and forget about those flow gauges and stuff. That still requires you to keep looking at the gauge. What you need is a fail safe with the injection that if it stops flowing meth or something is wrong it will kill the car. On my car I have it connected to the waste gate solenoid with the greddy e-01 EBC. If something is wrong it sends the voltage to the waste gate to dump all the PSI.

Speed+Clinic said:

If you put meth and do not tune you will actually loose power if you leave everything the same...

As for snow performance, snow meth kits were release what? 6 years ago and haven't changed one bit... The pump is still a 150psi, the pump internals can't handle 100% meth, obviously they say on their webpage not to use 100% meth because bla bla bla it will not benefit. Could it be that their pump can't handl 100% meth? Look at cooling myst, and forget about those flow gauges and stuff. That still requires you to keep looking at the gauge. What you need is a fail safe with the injection that if it stops flowing meth or something is wrong it will kill the car. On my car I have it connected to the waste gate solenoid with the greddy e-01 EBC. If something is wrong it sends the voltage to the waste gate to dump all the PSI.

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The flow gauge has no bearing on the flow. Its only an extension of the safe injection module. I dont think you can even use the flow gauge without it. The safe injection is what measures the meth flow, and if the flow stops, it will cut power to the engine and prevent harm. I am not 100 % sure what is cut out, I am assuming spark, not fuel. I ran my car for one year, foolishly, without the safe inj. I got lucky...

could any real gain be achieved using methanol on a n/a car?

06silverbullet said:

could any real gain be achieved using methanol on a n/a car?

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maybe gas mileage..

Steedman07 said:

The flow gauge has no bearing on the flow. Its only an extension of the safe injection module. I dont think you can even use the flow gauge without it. The safe injection is what measures the meth flow, and if the flow stops, it will cut power to the engine and prevent harm. I am not 100 % sure what is cut out, I am assuming spark, not fuel. I ran my car for one year, foolishly, without the safe inj. I got lucky...

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I was more referring to the gauge. That it is useless, you want it automatic. Because if it fails it will show up instantly on the wideband. That gauge is another distraction that is measured on the wideband instantly when it fails. I haven't seen/heard any pumps failing that have been taken cared off. On the other hand I have seen a lot of failures regarding meth due to stupid owners. Most of them letting the meth tank run dry, that is something you should check everytime you use the car. Meth is not for owner out there, it is for people that keep an eye out on the car, not for the type of people that dont even monitor de afr at diferent nights due to the climate change, dont check fluids/change stuff and so. You know what i mean.

I saw the the failsafe is almost exactly the thing I have, but I noticed their kits is still the same old sub-par kit with the 150psi pump. They have the 250psi pump but as an add for $$$$$. Most kits are bringing 250psi full 100% meth capable pumps as standard.

Steedman07 said:

maybe gas mileage..

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yeah they seem to say gas mileage gets increased and hp but was curious to if it was anything serious.

Steedman07 said:

The flow gauge has no bearing on the flow. Its only an extension of the safe injection module. I dont think you can even use the flow gauge without it. The safe injection is what measures the meth flow, and if the flow stops, it will cut power to the engine and prevent harm. I am not 100 % sure what is cut out, I am assuming spark, not fuel. I ran my car for one year, foolishly, without the safe inj. I got lucky...

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Absolutely sure about that? The SI module sets a 12V signal high, and can interface with aftermarket engine management systems, but not the stock computer in our cars. It can't pull timing in ours. Alternatively, please tell how yours is wired up because I'd like to do the same with mine

Not trying to be an ass here, but unless you're running the wastegate or bypass solenoid, the only thing the SI module can do is light up the supplied red LED.

Speed+Clinic said:

Most of them letting the meth tank run dry, that is something you should check everytime you use the car.

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Very true. I just went with what my tuner had the best experience with, and felt most comfortable tuning, and that was Snow. I've got that above mentioned red LED right beneath my shift light along with a low meth level LED, and flow active LED.

The only way it would be worth it for an N/A car would be if you had a high compression motor built. Then you could be more aggressive with the timing and not worry about detonation if you were using water meth.

Earl

Rasmus said:

Absolutely sure about that? The SI module sets a 12V signal high, and can interface with aftermarket engine management systems, but not the stock computer in our cars. It can't pull timing in ours. Alternatively, please tell how yours is wired up because I'd like to do the same with mine

Not trying to be an ass here, but unless you're running the wastegate or bypass solenoid, the only thing the SI module can do is light up the supplied red LED.

Very true. I just went with what my tuner had the best experience with, and felt most comfortable tuning, and that was Snow. I've got that above mentioned red LED right beneath my shift light along with a low meth level LED, and flow active LED.

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I dont know about killing ignition but I could think of wiring it like an alarm ignition power cut-off switch. That if the 12v is triggered it kills the engine completely, or kills just the coils or even more prefered if cutting the pedal signal. Since the cars have no throttle cable im 100% sure it could be done, just need to find the real imputs on sensors to play with them.

As for meth the tunning is the same with all kits, what varies is the nozzle size or if it is a variable system that varies flow with boost. As for the gauge it is a nice piece. I like the design, but you could read it all with the wideband. Already have a couple of gauges already. wideband/oilpressure/temp, 2 aeroforces reading iat,knock counts, fuel pressure amd boost