You know.....

[US-1]

Originally Posted by Embalmer

I'd like to give him the benefit of the doubt....

Bullshit

Originally Posted by Embalmer

I really didn't want to get involved in this........

Bullshit

Originally Posted by Embalmer

I don't have anything personal against him. I wasn't taken for any parts or money. I would also be giving him the benefit of the doubt

Bullshit

Originally Posted by Embalmer

Not to mention anyone who races a rental car is just an idiot.

Bullshit

Originally Posted by Embalmer

I'm done with this thread.

'Bout phuckin' time. Go kill yourself. Nobody will miss you.

[Freaknazty]

How's that ole saying go, something like this .........

Go wash your mouth with buckshot ..............

[ChevyKiller]

Originally Posted by Embalmer

Not to mention anyone who races a rental car is just an idiot.

How so?

I am in the points chase for a championship and my car was down. It's 'stupid' to make the event in a rental and earn your minimum 50 points just for passing through tech? Not to mention the chance of going a few rounds?

No - stupid is not going to the race because your car is down and pissing away any shot of a championship.

Obviously, from your mod list, you don't know drag racing from lawn bowling. Any racer would tell you they'd rather compete in a wagon than sit on the sidelines.

Lastly, I'll tell you the same thing I told some of the people who were booing me in vegas and that is don't be mad cause I outdrove you in a rental - be mad at yourself that you couldn't beat me in a car you are 'supposed' to know inside and out.

If anyone thinks racing a rental is easy - I'll bet they haven't tried it. It was more inconsistent than my car ever was.

The title on the car you are racing has absolutely nothing to do with the outcome of the race...

[ChevyKiller]

This made my day...

Food for thought... a 5.4 is basically a stroked 4.6

[alloy6ix]

Originally Posted by ChevyKiller

Obviously, from your mod list, you don't know drag racing from lawn bowling.

I dunno Ck, he does have NAWZ!!!!

[Embalmer]

Originally Posted by US-1

Bullshit


Bullshit


Bullshit


Bullshit


'Bout phuckin' time. Go kill yourself. Nobody will miss you.

All I want to hear is you say you were innocent. Did nothing wrong. Did not steal money or parts from anyone. Just tell everyone the truth, because I don't ever remember reading your side.

[kdesigns]

Originally Posted by Embalmer

I'm done with this thread.

Please keep your word...

[retfr8flyr]

Originally Posted by Embalmer

All I want to hear is you say you were innocent. Did nothing wrong. Did not steal money or parts from anyone. Just tell everyone the truth, because I don't ever remember reading your side.

If you had been involved in some of the previous threads when we had the IFC you would have been able to read where SD explained his side of the infamous internet reputation. I seriously doubt he will go through that again just for your edification. If it is that important to you maybe you can talk one of the mods into pulling the thread out of the archives but I doubt it.


Earl

[Hawgman]

If he wasn't personally involved (which he said he wasn't) and he doesn't know the actual story (which he obviously doesn't) then why should anyone care what he "wants" or thinks

[US-1]

Originally Posted by kdesigns

Please keep your word...

They never do.

Originally Posted by retfr8flyr

I seriously doubt he will go through that again just for your edification.

You got that right.

Originally Posted by Hawgman

If he wasn't personally involved (which he said he wasn't) and he doesn't know the actual story (which he obviously doesn't) then why should anyone care what he "wants" or thinks

I know I don't.

Originally Posted by Embalmer

All I want to hear is you say you were innocent. Did nothing wrong. Did not steal money or parts from anyone. Just tell everyone the truth, because I don't ever remember reading your side.

Innocence and Guilt are a matter of perception in the internet world. Your obvious bias (based on your willingness to dredge that shit up from the depths of MudularDipshits.com and E&E Fantasy Land) shows everyone that you have already made up your mind. I won't bother you with the facts. The Feds cleared me. The rest of you on the bandwagon can kiss a fat man's ass.

[ZmanM3]

So undertaker want'a'be, are you an investigator? No? Are you a FBI agent? No? Are you in anyway involved in the investigation or litigation of SD? No? Well then you are not a credible source.

Originally Posted by Embalmer

More SD fan club threads here:

http://forums.modulardepot.com/showthread.php?t=17405

I personally have a buddy who got one of his cylinder heads early on. Luckily, he was actually shipping them out way back then.

Your such a smart guy.

Originally Posted by Embalmer

All I have to say is I'm happy I didn't become one of your "customers". And everyone posting in all these threads about you is lying, right?

I'm happy about that too. Your probably one of those loosers that fucks his car up and blames everyone else for your blown engine because YOU know better.

Originally Posted by Embalmer

I didn't say he did anything. Read the threads and links posted earlier. Form your own opinions. That's fine with me. I just don't understand why so many people decided to falsely accuse him, that's all...

And, yes, people make mistakes. I'm far from perfect. But if even half of the accusations made about him over the past ten years are true, then he has no place on any Mustang/Modular motor forum. Just my opinion.

No kidding, your the complete oppisit of perfect. The mistake with you was that your father couldn't figure out how the condom worked.

Originally Posted by Embalmer

I'm not sure what kind of proof you expect to see. (Allegedly) He took money for parts. Never shipped them. He took heads to port, polish, etc. Sold them to other people and kept the original person's cash. This didn't happen just one time. It happened over and over.

http://forums.modulardepot.com/showt...hlight=wheeler
http://forums.modulardepot.com/showt...hlight=wheeler
http://forums.modulardepot.com/showt...hlight=wheeler
http://forums.modulardepot.com/showt...hlight=wheeler
http://forums.modulardepot.com/showt...hlight=wheeler

Those threads are just from one forum. Multiple forums have threads dedicated to making people aware of his past antics. I'd like to give him the benefit of the doubt, but there's too many people out there with missing parts/money.

I really didn't want to get involved in this, but a buddy of mine got his heads after a long wait and right after that they stopped being sent out. It was a shame, because the work he did was pretty good.

Your just trying to start shit, how about you get a clue before you open your emouth.

Originally Posted by Embalmer

If you read through the threads, you will find at least 5 people who paid for services and/or parts, and received nothing. Then some had to physically find him and confront him to get the parts/money back. Some had to chargeback credit cards to get the money back. He is/was a fraud. Multiple threads dedicated to him on various forums doesn't convince you he was a scammer? Has he actually ever DENIED his alleged actions? This all happened 7-10 years ago so the threads on forums where he was actually posting his services for sale are gone. What about the negative ebay feedback he had and linking to pictures off Steen's website for product he had "in stock"? I'm sorry, but this guy stinks. Not to mention anyone who races a rental car is just an idiot.

I don't have anything personal against him. I wasn't taken for any parts or money. I would also be giving him the benefit of the doubt, but, like I mentioned before a good friend of mine sent him cylinder heads to be ported/polished. It took months to get them back, only after constant prodding. Then others started to not receive theirs back at all.

As I said before, read and make your own mind up. I'm done with this thread.

Wow, all that shit over 5 people that got screwed by an employee of SD. Well dang, Thankyou mister Internet ehero, you have saved us all. You have proof and convinced us that you are a credible source.

Originally Posted by Hawgman

No, what makes it wasted time is how fucking long ago it was, how few of people it was, and the fact that none of the internet crusaders that keep reposting it know the actual story, the cause, or the outcome. About every six months some flopdick shows up and decides to repost the same bullshit that has been posted over and over and the story keeps getting bigger and bigger and more worthless with each repost.

No kidding.

[KenB@MD]

I'm over the whole SD Wheeler thing but this thread and the way you act now really pisses me off. You say no one has the balls to follow through...

I can post multiple emails from you where you PROMISED to kick my ass if you ever saw me. I'm at every NMRA event, I even saw you at Outback in Bradenton and not a word...So who's the keyboard tough guy?

Maybe if you weren't so damn cocky about what you did it would be gone by now. And to everyone in this thread, YES, I was directly involved in all of the SD Wheeler shit from back then.

Like I said, I'm over it. But I don't see why you have to rub it in. Somehow someway you not only got out of that whole situation with no reprecussions but you've come full circle and now are a sponsored racer. Only in America! lol


Ken

[bigwilly43729]

Originally Posted by KenB

I'm over the whole SD Wheeler thing but this thread and the way you act now really pisses me off. You say no one has the balls to follow through...

I can post multiple emails from you where you PROMISED to kick my ass if you ever saw me. I'm at every NMRA event, I even saw you at Outback in Bradenton and not a word...So who's the keyboard tough guy?

Maybe if you weren't so damn cocky about what you did it would be gone by now. And to everyone in this thread, YES, I was directly involved in all of the SD Wheeler shit from back then.

Like I said, I'm over it. But I don't see why you have to rub it in. Somehow someway you not only got out of that whole situation with no reprecussions but you've come full circle and now are a sponsored racer. Only in America! lol


Ken

[US-1]

Originally Posted by KenB

I'm over the whole SD Wheeler thing but this thread and the way you act now really pisses me off. You say no one has the balls to follow through...

I can post multiple emails from you where you PROMISED to kick my ass if you ever saw me. I'm at every NMRA event, I even saw you at Outback in Bradenton and not a word...So who's the keyboard tough guy?

Didn't see you. Didn't give a shit either.

Originally Posted by Kenb

Maybe if you weren't so damn cocky about what you did it would be gone by now. And to everyone in this thread, YES, I was directly involved in all of the SD Wheeler shit from back then.

Yeah...by giving everyone a forum where they could bash the shit out of me.

Originally Posted by KenB

Like I said, I'm over it. But I don't see why you have to rub it in.

No....you're not or you'd leave it alone. You wouldn't have come to this site and this particular thread just to post your precious opinion. I also don't see where I'm "rubbing it in". You fuckers tried to bury me with that bullshit and it didn't work. It has taken me this long to be able to even buy a new Mustang much less afford to go racing. You fuckers cost me a business, a marriage, and years of credit repair. Yet.....here you and "Embalmer" are dredging the same old tired bullshit up again. Goddamn Ken....you've got a great business, plenty of customers, and outstanding race cars out of your shop but you still can't seem to let it go. Pathetic.

Yes, I'm "sponsored"........as I've stated before on this board, it is not quite as much as everyone seems to think it is. I got that sponsorship because I promised the company a championship and I delivered. Period. They wanted a championship and I gave it to them. Is that what pisses you off? That despite the best efforts started on your message board and carried on by bandwagon jumpers on several other boards I won't crawl under a rock and wither away? That you can't run me out of drag racing? That I can't bring my son to an NMRA race because I get all types of threats from your little band of merry misfits?

The biggest mistake I made with that business was thinking I could help people achieve their performance goals with their cars. Joe Charles told me at the very beginning, "They don't want help. They want something for free and they want someone to blame when it goes wrong." He was dead right.

[ZmanM3]

Originally Posted by KenB

I'm over the whole SD Wheeler thing but this thread and the way you act now really pisses me off. You say no one has the balls to follow through...

I can post multiple emails from you where you PROMISED to kick my ass if you ever saw me. I'm at every NMRA event, I even saw you at Outback in Bradenton and not a word...So who's the keyboard tough guy?

Maybe if you weren't so damn cocky about what you did it would be gone by now. And to everyone in this thread, YES, I was directly involved in all of the SD Wheeler shit from back then.

Like I said, I'm over it. But I don't see why you have to rub it in. Somehow someway you not only got out of that whole situation with no reprecussions but you've come full circle and now are a sponsored racer. Only in America! lol


Ken

Wow, 7 hole posts. Were the other 6 in the IFC when this all flared up before? You must really hate SD that is apparent. So if you areat these NMRA events why don't YOU confront him? Maybe because you don't really want a fight, you maybe just want to say you were a the same event with 100's of other people and SD didn't use he Gadar to detect you specifically and come find you just to kick your ass, and now you can post how you were at the same event and SD didn't beat you up? Seems like you got everything you wanted out of that situation.

[KenB@MD]

Originally Posted by ZmanM3

Wow, 7 hole posts. Were the other 6 in the IFC when this all flared up before? You must really hate SD that is apparent. So if you areat these NMRA events why don't YOU confront him? Maybe because you don't really want a fight, you maybe just want to say you were a the same event with 100's of other people and SD didn't use he Gadar to detect you specifically and come find you just to kick your ass, and now you can post how you were at the same event and SD didn't beat you up? Seems like you got everything you wanted out of that situation.

Not even sure why I'm going to reply to someone like you, but you really have no idea what you are talking about. I never said I wanted to fight him. I'm over it. I was asking why he threatened me so many times and never followed through, especially since he's critizing other for doing the same. You don't know who I am but I'm pretty easy to find at an event. And I'm not sure what post count has to do with anything. If you want to start talking credentials, especially on a S197 board, we can.

Anyway, I'm done with this. SD has PMd me and I will answer him, end of story.

[ZmanM3]

Originally Posted by KenB

Not even sure why I'm going to reply to someone like you, but you really have no idea what you are talking about.

Your replying because you can't seem to help yourself. As for having an idea about what I'm talking about, well, this has been going on for the last 18 months. Every few months some e-investigator gets on and starts rehashing this stuff. Its old already for me, I can only imagine how old it is for SD after a few years.

Originally Posted by KenB

I never said I wanted to fight him.

Thats good, fights solve very little.

Originally Posted by KenB

I'm over it.

Doesn't seem like it.

Originally Posted by KenB

I was asking why he threatened me so many times and never followed through, especially since he's critizing other for doing the same.

Well he usually does that in response to people that have said they were going to kick his ass. That and he has an alligator mouth.

Originally Posted by KenB

You don't know who I am but I'm pretty easy to find at an event.

Your right I don't know who you are. I just know that your on here restarting crap with someone that has been a benefit to have around here and who is not using the site to sell anything.

Originally Posted by KenB

And I'm not sure what post count has to do with anything. If you want to start talking credentials, especially on a S197 board, we can.

The post count was me pointing out that it seems you came here specifically to bash SD and nothing more. Your S197 credentials are probably better then mine, but I don't care because your in no way giving me advice or helping me with that knowledge like others on here do, SD, Mark, Don, JDM, Kimmer, GIjoe just to name a few.

Originally Posted by KenB

Anyway, I'm done with this. SD has PMd me and I will answer him, end of story.

We'll see.

[Phatdoggy]

Hey ZmanM3... you have absolutely NO clue what you are talking about. You know him from his activities in only the very short past. He's a great racer... yay. That doesn't begin to tell you who he is. He was the same knowledgable, humorous, shit-starting persona you admire here, and he may have started his business with the best of intentions. In the end, he had a lot of people's money and expensive parts and did not follow through with providing services or parts paid for.

I was personally involved. He sold me heads that were promised in 6 weeks that appeared nine months later. They were supoosedly shipped once or twice and lost by FedEx, then they were miraculously recovered and returned to him - not forwarded to the delivery address. They were supposed to be shipped with the valvetrain shimmed as necessary so they could simply be bolted on. I installed them and they clattered like an old jalopy. I talked to him on the phone and he told me to let it run because the lash adjusters needed to pump up. After one hour of run time, I had a broken spring and a chewed up head and piston.

My next bad choice was letting him build me a shortnlock to replace my now totally f'd engine. He'd do it "at cost" for $2.5K. He was going to repair the heads. I paid another $1.3K for some upgrades to the heads since I had to ship them back ... SS valves and billet cams (now available a year after the project started) and to upgrade to a forged crank. I paid the $3.8K via PayPal in three installments ($1.5K, $1K,and $1.3K) since he could no longer take credit cards (warning sign!).

Two to three months later, the SB showed up on my dock at work... with a surprise $1K COD and no repaired heads. He claimed the heads were on it when they shipped, but they must have been stolen in transit. Here's a picture of the pallet on the truck before being removed. Where do you think the heads were secured? How about that packaging? Nice huh? The block had light rust on the gasket surfaces too. I'll attach that picture so you can judge for yourself.



I refused it, but I did get his address from the COD paperwork.

Months later... I recovered $2K of the additional $3K I paid him for the SB and head upgrades, not because he returned it but because my credit card issuer charged it back to PayPal. I bought an '02 crate engine from Corral and put that in my car. Funny side story... one night while I was in the garage working on getting THAT engine in the car, SD called me - unprovoked. He apologized for what happened, explained his business circumstances (Job B paid for Job A, Job D for Job B, Job F for Job C... spiraling out of control), and said he was working his day job to pay all affected back. I wasn't going to be first, but I would get paid back eventually. Hasn't happened yet.

A friend I met through these Mustang boards went to his house to recover my heads and the Bullitt intake of another local friend of his. The description of that event doesn't AT ALL match the giant keyboard persona of SD. He was described as clearly nervous. Matt's a big dude, so I can understand SD's concern. Luckily, the guns he always threatens about never appeared. What a shitstorm he would have opened up, but I digress. That visit netted a Bullitt intake manifold returned to its rightful owner and one of my cylinder heads. That head was worthless and netted me $5 from the local recycler. Also remember, this is a headthat was suposedly stolen from the SB pallet during shipping.

I organized a list of people that had less than satisfactory dealings with SD and forwarded that to the FBI. They called me a year later to investigate. They interviewed most or all on the list (roughly 30 people). The agent I spoke with said it was clear there was a case to be made, but the FBI couldn't do it because it was out of their jurisdiction. While that sounds weird, he explained it and it made sense at the time. He did forward the case materials to the Tyler County DA, who was working on it and I spoke with a couple times. Sadly, he passed away before much was done. The case was supposed to be transferred to another DA, but I lost interest. By this point, it had been a couple years since the whole thing started. The money was gone. SD lived in a shack so it appeared there was no money to be recovered.

SD was not cleared by the FBI the way he claims. He actually was never charged, not because of innocence but because of circumstances that worked out best for him. The case fell into the cracks and was not followed up on. For those that believe he is innocent because he wasn't prosecuted, remember that we have a very flawed and imperfect justice system. For me to pursue $4K in losses from a half country away would have cost MUCH more than $4K. Also, consider this... OJ is innocent because he didn't kill Nicole. Yeah, right.

So, it's water under the bridge for me now. It is aggravating when someone from the Mustang community lets me know SD is spouting of his innocence like he does here. The many love-blind lemmings here believe everything SD tells them.. and that's their own decisions to make. I only wasted my time typing this so someone has the other side of the story before they decide to make a transaction with him in the classifieds.

As for how many and how much... I'm attaching the same Excel file (minus real names, addresses, and phone numbers because I'm not comfortable posting others' private info) I sent to the FBI with the people that responded to me back when I was gathering info. It's 30 people for ~$67K. Regardless of how many or how much... one person and $10 is too much to steal an an innocent beisness person. Note: Excel files are not valid attachments on this forum, so I changed the extension to .txt. You'll need to change it back to .xls in order to view it in Excel.

He needs to take responsibility for his actions. Only one person cost him his business, marriage and credit... and his name is is goatfuc ... oops... sorry, you know him by SD Wheeler.

I've disabled PMs here, so if you want to say something, post it here in a public forum.

[raverjames]

[Mister Roper]

Here we fucking go again.