Discouraged 3v owner

[Riptide]

Glad mine is paid off. If all the dire predictions come true in 15-20 years I might have to push it off a cliff. Who would want a gasoline powered mustang that only traps 130.

EDIT: Maybe I should just be buried in it? Only 30 more years to 70. lol

 

[inglimer]

KC Maxx was one of the two I met with and suggested I might be better off going the LS3 or Coyote route.
Strangely, they were also the ones who dyno tuned it last year.

 

[sdleo29]

Just got to Mike at L&M and be done... Yes he is not close, but by the looks of it, no reputable engine builder is close to KC anyway... Talk to him; he is super responsive to email and is probably one of the best mod motor builders in the country. The 3V block will handle a lot more power than a coyote block; period. Will it cost a blt, sure, but what doesn't. Upgrade oil pump with TSS and Gt500 backing plate and put in some good rods/pistons. Probably handle close to 800 on a reliable tune; coyote block will have higher probability of cracking before yours does ta that level.

 

[inglimer]

I sent L&M an email explaining what I'm after and requesting prices, recommendations etc.
How much sticker shock am I in for here?

 

[06 T-RED S/C GT]

Before ever considering a Coyote swap.. I'd do a GT500 swap from an 07-12 5.4L 4v which already includes all forged internals to begin with along with it's block being able to handle more power over the Coyote.. And under no circumstances would I ever consider putting an LS3 in a S197 or any other Ford for that matter.. As for the shop who recommended it, they sure in the hell wouldn't get my business to say the very least lol.

 

[GTAmuscle]

Can’t believe somebody said to put an LS3 in an S197. Wtf is wrong with this world?

 

[06 T-RED S/C GT]

Can’t believe somebody said to put an LS3 in an S197. Wtf is wrong with this world?

Couldn't agree more.. I wouldn't let any shop even look at my car after recommending putting an LS3 in a S197 lol.

 

[Riptide]

Agree on the GT500 swap. Even better if you wanna run a manual transmission and can get the TR6060 with it.

 

[fourdegrees11]

Gen 2 coyote blocks are seeing 800+ hp before they start having issues. You guys should clarify that when discussing, since the only place you can get a gen 1 block now is from an 11-14 car/truck.

 

[inglimer]

Just to clarify, the shops I talked to were not referring to swapping an LS3 or Coyote into my 06, but selling it and getting either or.
My original post may have been unclear.

 

[Riptide]

Will take E85 or race fuel to run 600+ out of a coyote "reliably" anyway. Maybe you can get by on 91 pump on a gen2 with a little bit more power but it's not gonna be that much more over a gen1.

If you can get E85 at the pump then it seems like a no brainer to run it.

 

[06 T-RED S/C GT]

Just to clarify, the shops I talked to were not referring to swapping an LS3 or Coyote into my 06, but selling it and getting either or.
My original post may have been unclear.

IMO.. If those shops were really concerned about wanting your business, they would've respected your preference for wanting to keep your 06 and perform the engine build for your 3V just as you requested.. Bottom line is if you really wanted to sell your 06 for either a Coyote or LS3, you would've done so rather than request having a shop do an engine build for your existing 3V in the first place.. Seems to me those shops you talked with are obviously just not really interested nor want to be bothered in taking the time in wanting to do an engine build for you, otherwise they would've respected you as a potential customer along with wanting to earn your business in which from their actions just goes to show they really aren't worthy of your business to begin with anyhow..

 

[richman]

My vote is for a 5.4 swap. Just saying!


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[inglimer]

Educate me here. What's the poop on the motor in the photo?

 

[richman]

Educate me here. What's the poop on the motor in the photo?

? A Milwaukee Impact in the valley!


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[stkjock]

educate me here. What's the poop on the motor in the photo?

5.4 4v gt500 oem

 

[fourdegrees11]

Will take E85 or race fuel to run 600+ out of a coyote "reliably" anyway. Maybe you can get by on 91 pump on a gen2 with a little bit more power but it's not gonna be that much more over a gen1.

If you can get E85 at the pump then it seems like a no brainer to run it.

Definitely. Everyone making big power with coyotes are on something better than 93

 

[raredesign]

IMO.. If those shops were really concerned about wanting your business, they would've respected your preference for wanting to keep your 06 and perform the engine build for your 3V just as you requested.. Bottom line is if you really wanted to sell your 06 for either a Coyote or LS3, you would've done so rather than request having a shop do an engine build for your existing 3V in the first place.. Seems to me those shops you talked with are obviously just not really interested nor want to be bothered in taking the time in wanting to do an engine build for you, otherwise they would've respected you as a potential customer along with wanting to earn your business in which from their actions just goes to show they really aren't worthy of your business to begin with anyhow..

Exactly. Maybe they should talk to John Mihovetz about his 5 second quarter mile.
http://www.dragzine.com/news/john-mihovetz-lowers-ford-mod-motor-record-to-a-blistering-5-88/

“The engine, which at last contact with ACCUFAB, boasted a factory aluminum 4.6-liter block and a Bryant aftermarket crank. The heads, which are also factory pieces, come from the venerable Ford GT powerplant. Thanks to Mihovetz’ dedication to his craft, the bottom end is able to withstand astronomical boost numbers nearing 60 pounds! Needless to say, John is getting all he can from the pair of Precision turbochargers hanging off the end of the headers.”


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[Speedboosted]

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[46addict]

Exactly. Maybe they should talk to John Mihovetz about his 5 second quarter mile.
http://www.dragzine.com/news/john-mihovetz-lowers-ford-mod-motor-record-to-a-blistering-5-88/

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Mihovetz used 4v heads which is several steps ahead of the 3v but that's not to say 3v's are not worth building.

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