Why are you sticking with your S197?

[RocketcarX]

Driving is a sort of love hate for me, I love cars and I love the experiences that go with road trips, my dad would drive to each new duty station so as a kid I crossed the country a few times, buuuuuuut, living in Texas as an adult has made me hate traveling for any distance because I feel trapped inside of this huge ass state. Most of the time I ride shot gun and we go places in my wife's Explorer if I'm not traveling for work or whatever.
I like road trips a lot, I would agree this tech should help with the all might MPGs when it comes to travel cost, and the safety factor would def relieve stress as our under achieving infrastructure becomes more and more over taxed. Not to mention getting to where you want to go directly without confusion over the route.

 

[Wild White Pony]

From the air filter to the rear tires, I think I've changed or modified everything. It's built, it's mine, nobody know's her like me. Buying the next greatest gen platform car will just have short term happiness and end up another heart breaking money pit. I'm good.

 

[Sky Render]

The vast majority of FR-S/86/BRZ drivers could not care less about how long it takes to travel 1/4 of a mile in a straight line. It's not a drag car.

http://www.motoiq.com/MagazineArticles/ID/4675/An-FA20-For-Michele.aspx

I love it when people link to the magazine I write for. I get paid by the click!

 

[eolson]

The most you're going to get from the Saleen series VI supercharger is the JDM 2.85 pulley for around 507 rwhp at 14.5 -15 lbs boost. Is there anyone still around on that tune after all these years? A custom JDM tune on that pulley is probably 515 rwhp max. Anyone still around from that era 2007-2009???. The economy crash in late 2008 killed a lot of tech companies for the 05 model. What's still out there???? Erik

 

[tigerhonaker]

The most you're going to get from the Saleen series VI supercharger is the JDM 2.85 pulley for around 507 rwhp at 14.5 -15 lbs boost. Is there anyone still around on that tune after all these years? A custom JDM tune on that pulley is probably 515 rwhp max. Anyone still around from that era 2007-2009???. The economy crash in late 2008 killed a lot of tech companies for the 05 model. What's still out there???? Erik

Call Brenspeed as they ran the Saleen superchargers for years and years.
I ran the Saleen Super Shaker S/C and Brenspeed did all that work including the tuning.
Brent White did the tuning and he is damn good at it on the Saleen !!!







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[06 T-RED S/C GT]

In addition to Brenspeed, JDM engineering was and still is regarded as one of the top Saleen tuners in the industry... IMHO you can't go wrong with contacting Brenspeed or Jim III from JDM..

 

[Rotorhead]

Love the engine and options in the S550s...just don't care for the looks. A mutant Fusion with a fat ass isn't quite my style. My 2007 GTCS (Black with black ghost GTCS stripes) has 2007 GT-500 rims and tires, lowered and constantly gets nods from passersby. It is N/A, but with CAI, FRPP hot rod cams and headers and SLP Loudmouths ...sounds loud and has a 60's lopey idle that 4 valves can't replicate. It's making barely more than 300 to the rear..but it's paid for and looks like the 1969 Mach I I started with. Woo-hoo!

 

[tjm73]

Was thinking about and reading in this thread and it occurred to me that the S197 chassis is the last "muscle car" Mustang chassis. With the arrival of the S550 with it's all independent suspension, the Mustang has moved into being a true sports car and out of being a muscle car. The S550 Mustang is amazing, but it's not a muscle car anymore.

 

[JohnRichard]

Why am I staying with my S197... a couple reasons. first stock for stock the 2011/14 S197 is faster. the S550 is 4.6 3V speed. It is a little faster then a 2004 Mach 1 I know they just came out with the 18. only seen a few for sale at a coupe lots, when I get beat by one, then I might change my mind on how slow the S550. Second, my S197 is 2012 Boss. and then that 18 will have fits outrunning me. yes its got the all mighty 10 speed. but how effect is that ten speed? 460 at the crank wont be 460 at the wheels. For every one percent loss in efficiency is 4.6HP so 10% is 46 HP. I have not seen any numbers in what its efficiency is. 9% would be outstanding, 12% would be better than normal. OK it goes 0-60 in under 4 seconds. so 3.99? what does it do after that. and third... The S550 is just ugly.

 

[46addict]

I think there will be push back from drivers to using this tech on surface streets and country roads. But highways will become high speed automated corridors.

I would be okay with this, as long as there is a compromising feature (bypass button) built in for country roads and race tracks. Once highway driving is automated, police will no longer generate traffic ticket revenue so the socialist agenda will kick in and there will be a toll just to use a road or people who bypass the feature at any time will be taxed with higher insurance rates or higher taxes in some form. Aside from the obvious that I'll no longer be able to drive my own car, the monetary issue is the only other issue I see.

 

[46addict]

the S550 is 4.6 3V speed. It is a little faster then a 2004 Mach 1 I know they just came out with the 18. only seen a few for sale at a coupe lots, when I get beat by one, then I might change my mind on how slow the S550. Second, my S197 is 2012 Boss. and then that 18 will have fits outrunning me. yes its got the all mighty 10 speed. but how effect is that ten speed? 460 at the crank wont be 460 at the wheels. For every one percent loss in efficiency is 4.6HP so 10% is 46 HP. I have not seen any numbers in what its efficiency is. 9% would be outstanding, 12% would be better than normal. OK it goes 0-60 in under 4 seconds. so 3.99? what does it do after that. and third... The S550 is just ugly.

The '18 dynoed at 415 with the 10 speed and ran a 11.69 with a drag radial. To my knowledge the rest of the car was stock.

http://www.s197forum.com/threads/18-gt-10-spd-auto-dyno-numbers-415-397.133532/page-3

I'm not sure if I agree with S550 V8s being as slow as a 3v. I thought they ran mid to high 12's stock.

 

[EL_SHELBY]

The Red Suede Door Inserts were added last year as the original stock perforated vinyl door inserts kept peeling off the doors.
I had a professional upholsterer upgrade the cheap, peeling, stock door inserts with a set of custom made padded suede door inserts. These are held in place with a glued in bead.
The upholsterer took off the door panels and took them to his shop to add the red inserts and then came back in a few days to reinstall the door panels back on the car. For the first month or so the smell of the suede was intoxicating!
It is even more impressive seeing this in person and I have already referred a number of S197 owners to upgrade their door inserts and have other upholstery work done by this gentleman.
Here are some more pictures of the completed project. I went with the red door inserts to break up the all black look of the interior. It is a very nice upgrade and people comment on it all of the time.View attachment 65956 View attachment 65956 View attachment 65957 View attachment 65958 View attachment 65958 View attachment 65959 View attachment 65959 View attachment 65960

Ok, now you have done it. Who is this magical auto upholstery gentleman and where is he located?

 

[EL_SHELBY]

Oh, and I have no intentions of letting go of my ‘08 SGT, but I still want a 2016 GT350R to keep it company, along many other fine Mustangs. Who says you have to let go of one love to enjoy another? (Typing as I look over my shoulder for a lurking wife.)

 

[tjm73]

I told my wife if we ever win the lottery I will buy one of every Mustang body style from 64.5 to present. She asked why and I said just because. I would skip anything from '74-'78 because....well we all know why.

At time I miss my '05 GT a bit. The engine was awesome and it sounded great with the FRPP stingers.

 

[Sky Render]

What? No, I want a Mustang II King Cobra because it is sooooo '70s. But only if I have every other generation of Mustang first.

 

[tjm73]

Even with 133 ragging ponies and 243 ft-lbs?

 

[EL_SHELBY]

Yes! All because of one person;

Farrah Fawcett

I might be showing my age....

 

[702GT]

The '18 dynoed at 415 with the 10 speed and ran a 11.69 with a drag radial. To my knowledge the rest of the car was stock.

http://www.s197forum.com/threads/18-gt-10-spd-auto-dyno-numbers-415-397.133532/page-3

I'm not sure if I agree with S550 V8s being as slow as a 3v. I thought they ran mid to high 12's stock.

E/T's will all be relative to the driver, track conditions, and location/DA. I could never squeeze anything better than a 13.9 in the 1/4 and a 2.1 60' when I was stock. Think I was trapping 102-105mph. No way, no how would it ever turn a 12.xxx in stock trim, I made a *lot* of passes stock. Different RPM launches, riding the clutch, dropping the clutch, different tire pressures on the stock rubber, removed the spare tire (which if anything made traction worse). With DR's, maybe improve 13.3-13.5. Traction was a huge issue. It didn't help that I was rolling the "Midnight Mayhem" event, where they never sprayed VHT unless a Test 'n Tune happened to be right before it. If you were the first 20 or so cars in line, you got a small benefit off the Test 'n Tune's left-over VHT. Is the 3v S197 capable of 12.xxx 100% stock? Sure, the power is certainly there for it. The conditions would have to be spot on, and the driver on his A-game. When the 5.0 S197's came out, they were smashing 12.xxx's all over the map. 11.xxx's on a good day. With rubber, absolutely 11.xxx's all day. With the S550's suspension and even better OEM rubber, it's not even a comparison. One of the most competitive things between the SN-95's and S197's in the first years they butted heads was the SN-95 was so much lighter. When my 3v was full bolt-on NA with cams, running against my buddies '01 2v full bolt-on NA with cams, we ran absolutely door to door. Only time one of us ever won was if one of us missed a shift. He made about 50whp and 20wtq less than my 3v. We both ran 12.8xx in the 1/4 on DR's with those setups. It was infuriating the S197 gained so much weight that it had to over-power the 2v to keep up. Under boost, it was a completely different story. The 3v responded much better to boost than the 2v, could handle more power on stock internals, and the powerband extended further. I went centri and he went turbo, all he ever saw was my tail lights. But now we're getting into modified elements so it's rather irrelevant.

Stock for Stock the newer cars are almost always faster/better. The coyote vs 3v is no exception. S550 didn't gain that much weight vs the 5.0 S197.

 

[46addict]

E/T's will all be relative to the driver, track conditions, and location/DA. I could never squeeze anything better than a 13.9 in the 1/4 and a 2.1 60' when I was stock. Think I was trapping 102-105mph. No way, no how would it ever turn a 12.xxx in stock trim.

I meant Coyotes going 12s in stock form. I couldnt break into the 13s with my 3v when it was stock. Trap speed was at 99-100mph like clockwork at 1200-1500' DA.

 

[fourdegrees11]

Why am I staying with my S197... a couple reasons. first stock for stock the 2011/14 S197 is faster. the S550 is 4.6 3V speed. It is a little faster then a 2004 Mach 1 I know they just came out with the 18. only seen a few for sale at a coupe lots, when I get beat by one, then I might change my mind on how slow the S550. Second, my S197 is 2012 Boss. and then that 18 will have fits outrunning me. yes its got the all mighty 10 speed. but how effect is that ten speed? 460 at the crank wont be 460 at the wheels. For every one percent loss in efficiency is 4.6HP so 10% is 46 HP. I have not seen any numbers in what its efficiency is. 9% would be outstanding, 12% would be better than normal. OK it goes 0-60 in under 4 seconds. so 3.99? what does it do after that. and third... The S550 is just ugly.

Besides what has already been said about the 18, LMR ran a 12 flat 100% stock with one of their random employees driving, once people get ahold of them expect to see high 11s from stock.

Edit: To add, apparently Lund did an E85/CAI dyno tune today and made 462 hp 431 tq

Other than that, everything you said about the speed of the 15-17 S550 is false. Stock for stock they are only maybe 1-2 tenths slower than an 11-14 GT due to the weight increase. No where near enough of a weight difference for a 3v to make up the 100+ hp advantage.