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My guess would be simply that the Coyote 5.0 doesn't fit.

I am no expert on the matter but the Bronco is on a modified version/next gen version of the Ranger platform. I know displacement doesn't really matter to physical size but the current ranger platform couldn't fit the 2.7 EB The modified/next gen obviously can, as we see in the Bronco. So I would assume the 5.0 doesn't fit or doesn't fit well enough to meet crash standards.


or they are saving it as a trick to boost sales in a few years lol

And I believe Ford continues to offer the 5.0 in the F-150 because they now there is a % of truck buyers that would go elsewhere if they couldn't have a V8

Not to play devil's advocate, but if Jeep can squeeze fit a 392 Hemi V8 into the current Wrangler, as their supposedly hinting at? You would think Ford could somehow fit the Coyote 5.0 into the 2021 Bronco and possibly the next gen Ranger as well? Needless to say, it's all just wishful thinking and speculation on my part anyhow lol.

Cost. The F-series pool of potential buyers is HUGE. The larger the pool the more interests to serve. Many people don't want the "complex" Ecoboost engines. They want a "simple" V8. Ford can justify the offering as enough people opt for it. The pool for the Bronco is MUCH smaller. Ford will not sell anywhere near as many Broncos as F150's. The cost to engineer it to fit and certify it and finally produce it is not likely feasible for the number of people that would select it. It's simple the wrong power plant for the intended purpose from the factory.

Now I love the 5.0 DOHC V8. It's amazing. But....look at the Ecoboost engines and try to convince me they are not equal to or better on every front in this application? The current truck 5.0 DOHC is rated at 395 hp at 5750 and 400 ft-lbs at 4500. The 2.7EB is rated at 325 hp at 5000 and 400 ft-lbs at 2750.

Same torque, almost 2000 rpm sooner. At about 2800 the 5.0 makes about 125 hp and 275 ft-lbs to the wheels in an F150. The 2.7EB is at about 190/340. The torque is more accessible without unneeded engine speed.

You definitely bring up some very valued insight being as Ford will not sell nearly as many Broncos as they sell F-150 trucks, so just as you brought up, the engineering costs to fit and produce a V8 for the Bronco just wouldn't make much sense with only a small percentage of people that would actually want it. Therefore, I see exactly where your coming from which does make far more sense, especially knowing the EcoBoost V6 engines can just about equal or even surpass the HP and Torque levels of the 5.0 DOHC V8 motors.

My drummer had a sweet loaded FX4 EB, with all the intercooler and tune tweaks, awesome truck.
But he sold it because it didn’t have the V-8 sound. He now has a pretty bad fbo Dodge Ram R/T just because it has that rumble (and lope with a pretty aggressive cam).
There is definitely a market for the v8, because race car


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Your drummer could've also opted for the F-150 5.0L DOHC 4v which also has that V8 rumble lol.
 

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Not to play devil's advocate, but if Jeep can squeeze fit a 392 Hemi V8 into the current Wrangler, as their supposedly hinting at? You would think Ford could somehow fit the Coyote 5.0 into the 2021 Bronco and possibly the next gen Ranger as well? Needless to say, it's all just wishful thinking and speculation on my part anyhow lol.
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The "Hemi" V8 is a cam-in-block design with much narrower top-end than the dual camshaft per head Coyote. The Coyote heads are very wide and that means the engine bay needs to be much wider/bigger to fit a Coyote.
 

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The "Hemi" V8 is a cam-in-block design with much narrower top-end than the dual camshaft per head Coyote. The Coyote heads are very wide and that means the engine bay needs to be much wider/bigger to fit a Coyote.

Have you see how big the HEMI is? It's friggin' huge. It's like 24" wide at it's widest point. The 5.0 DOHC is I think about 26" wide.
 

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The "Hemi" V8 is a cam-in-block design with much narrower top-end than the dual camshaft per head Coyote. The Coyote heads are very wide and that means the engine bay needs to be much wider/bigger to fit a Coyote.
I never knew about the cam in block design for the "Hemi" V8 Gabe! Meanwhile, thanks for bringing me up to speed, as it now makes much more sense about the engine bay needing to be much wider/bigger in order to fit a Coyote 5.0 DOHC engine :waytogo:
 

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Have you see how big the HEMI is? It's friggin' huge. It's like 24" wide at it's widest point. The 5.0 DOHC is I think about 26" wide.
If the 392 Hemi V8 is that friggin' huge at 24" wide? how is it even possible that the engine bay in the Jeep Wrangler could be wide or large enough for it to fit? I sure in the hell don't see how, that's for sure lol.
 

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Have you see how big the HEMI is? It's friggin' huge. It's like 24" wide at it's widest point. The 5.0 DOHC is I think about 26" wide.

The info I just found said the Hemi is 24-26" wide depending on application, and the coyote is 28".
That can be a huge amount of extra width to try to fit, when you also have to have shock towers, accessories, steering,, and all the other crap you find under the hood
 

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Yes, the Coyote is wide, but it fits the Fox and SN95 cars with no cutting involved. It's a fairly common swap. Is the Bronco/Ranger engine bay even smaller than that? Could be, but I doubt it as it fits a 2.7 DOHC V6 turbo engine.
 
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Yes, the Coyote is wide, but it fits the Fox and SN95 cars with no cutting involved. It's a fairly common swap. Is the Bronco/Ranger engine bay even smaller than that? Could be, but I doubt it as it fits a 2.7 DOHC V6 turbo engine.
How wide is the 2.7 V6 EcoBoost? If its between 27-29" wide, then the Coyote should be able to fit, If the 2.7 is under 27" wide? then more than likely the Bronco/Ranger engine bay is smaller than the Fox Body and SN-95 cars :shrug:
 

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Not sure how wide the 2.7EB is, but the 2.3EB uses as much width real estate as a 302 push rod engine.

Hmmmpt..... in absolute width terms the 2.3EB is 26" wide.

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Not sure how wide the 2.7EB is, but the 2.3EB uses as much width real estate as a 302 push rod engine.

Hmmmpt..... in absolute width terms the 2.3EB is 26" wide.

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RavenGT does bring up a very valid point. As you would think if the Coyote DOHC 5.0 can be retrofitted in the SN-95 and Fox body cars without any modifications to the engine bay, there should also be enough engine bay clearance in the 2021 Bronco as well, unless it has a smaller engine bay over the Fox body cars :shrug:
 

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This is the current Ranger engine bay. I don't know how much is changed in the Bronco. But since they share a platform, this would be a reasonable facsimile. Not much extra room in there.

Last summer we took the kids to The Henry Ford and Greenfield Village. While there, we toured the Rouge truck plant. They had a 2.7 cutaway engine displayed in the visitor center. It's called the Nano and it is. It's small. I'd estimate it's close to the size of the 2.3EB dimensions I posted above.


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Again, you bring up a very valid point, but for some reason, I just find it hard to believe how the engine bay of the new Bronco could be smaller than the Fox body Mustang :shrug:
 

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The Foxbody engine bay is fairly big. The 4.6 DOHC fits and they are quite wide.
 

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The 5.0 DOHC Coyote also fits inside the Fox body engine bay. You would think I would remember the size of the Fox body engine bays, knowing that I previously owned 3 Fox body Mustangs during the mid 90's-early 2005 lol.
 

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There's a pic floating around of a yellow Bronco's engine bay. It has the 2.3L and it looks super cramped. I can't see any way of getting the Coyote in there, and I don't think it's necessary. With a simple tune, that 2.7L will blow the Coyote away. I also don't think reliability is a reason for the V8 because the 2.7s have been really stout from what I've read.

The Sasquatch package gives you a 4.7:1 gear ratio? That paired with a 500+ Ft.Lb. tuned 2.7L, even with 35" tires, is gonna be a beast.
 

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