Killer Chiller -- Beware

Interesting.

"I found that the EKC was inferior to my tried-and-true C&R heat exchanger in real world driving since it could only attain cooler intercooler fluid temperatures (right around ambient) at idle. While driving, intercooler fluid temperatures were either the same on both systems, or in the case of highway driving, the intercooler fluid temperatures were actually higher with the EKC system than they were for the C&R heat exchanger. This doesn’t even take into account the fact that the EKC system was susceptible to overheating in normal driving and would cycle off to protect itself, rendering the system unreliable. I also found at the drag strip that the C&R heat exchanger actually had a much lower rate of IAT2 increase through the quarter mile than the Killer Chiller EKC system, and was thus materially more efficient at expelling heat while travelling down the track. Further, I would have to spend, on average, 29 minutes between passes, motor off, and EKC system jumpered, cooling my intercooler fluid down to a level where I could make it through the entire quarter mile pass without seeing timing pulled."

https://www.svtperformance.com/foru...chiller-ekc-8-188-60-365-days-insane.1132582/

How close is Danny to having that bad boy on the dyno?? thanks for info on the KC, I was thinking about it for a while and decided not to do it as I didn't want to cut into my A/C lines

long ago 97tbird - Ron on this board used a KC and tried to make it work, there's a long thread here somewhere for those interested.

edit - ok maybe not that long....

http://s197forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=19192&highlight=killer+chiller

http://s197forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=35378&highlight=killer+chiller

sdleo29 said:

How close is Danny to having that bad boy on the dyno?? thanks for info on the KC, I was thinking about it for a while and decided not to do it as I didn't want to cut into my A/C lines

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It will be a little while yet. A lot of fiddly bits.

Appreciate the feedback. Some here locally in my area think that the KC is the end all be all answer to lower IAT2 temps. Theoretically it makes since as many things do until they are applied to real world scenarios.

redfirepearlgt said:

Appreciate the feedback. Some here locally in my area think that the KC is the end all be all answer to lower IAT2 temps. Theoretically it makes since as many things do until they are applied to real world scenarios.

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A lot of the Terminator guys swear by it. But all the ones I know about aren't running the stand alone. It's the kit that is run by the stock compressor. I personally have no interest running one. Just another component to worry about.

I just got to thinking. Weatherman, do you have the AC compressor set to deactivate at WOT in the tune? IF so could that be why the KC failed to work as described? You didn't mention anything about that in your write up, so thought I would throw that out there as food for thought. After all the KC fully depends on the AC compressor running 100% of the time to do its job. If it kicks out on a pass at WOT there is no heat removal just induced heat from the IC and pump recirculation and what little a heat exchanger can muster. Then again KC may address that wit ha switch and relay that bypass cycling of the A/C compressor by the tune to eliminate this problem.???????

Just asking because as 01yellercobra has pointed out the SVT terminator community seems to like the unit well enough.

Thoughts???

redfirepearlgt said:

I just got to thinking. Weatherman, do you have the AC compressor set to deactivate at WOT in the tune? IF so could that be why the KC failed to work as described? You didn't mention anything about that in your write up, so thought I would throw that out there as food for thought. After all the KC fully depends on the AC compressor running 100% of the time to do its job. If it kicks out on a pass at WOT there is no heat removal just induced heat from the IC and pump recirculation and what little a heat exchanger can muster.

Just asking because as 01yellercobra has pointed out (and I do know a guy locally with an 04 cobra who is happy with his) the SVT terminator community seems to like the unit well enough.

Thoughts???

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Not my setup, belongs to guy in SVTP thread.

I mean, in theory it makes sense. I can't imagine anything being better than flowing 50 degree water through your intercooler. No amount of 80 degree air flowing through a heat exchanger should work better than lower than ambient water. Whether its being executed correctly, that id assume is the issue. Or flow rate, or some combination of that.

edit: holy SHIT what on earth? who spends " 80 hours of labor " @ 5,000 dollars on having one of these installed? holy shit

palanza7 said:

I mean, in theory it makes sense. I can't imagine anything being better than flowing 50 degree water through your intercooler. No amount of 80 degree air flowing through a heat exchanger should work better than lower than ambient water. Whether its being executed correctly, that id assume is the issue. Or flow rate, or some combination of that.

edit: holy SHIT what on earth? who spends " 80 hours of labor " @ 5,000 dollars on having one of these installed? holy shit

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John has worked hard and has some nice capital to now play with, but that's the whole purpose of his post. Joe @ Kinciad kept dragging this on and telling him to try other things. Hence the free R&D as John mentioned.

palanza7 said:

I mean, in theory it makes sense. I can't imagine anything being better than flowing 50 degree water through your intercooler. No amount of 80 degree air flowing through a heat exchanger should work better than lower than ambient water. Whether its being executed correctly, that id assume is the issue. Or flow rate, or some combination of that.

edit: holy SHIT what on earth? who spends " 80 hours of labor " @ 5,000 dollars on having one of these installed? holy shit

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When your car is on a lift and torn apart and you have a don't quit attitude (and money).

Speedboosted said:

John has worked hard and has some nice capital to now play with, but that's the whole purpose of his post. Joe @ Kinciad kept dragging this on and telling him to try other things. Hence the free R&D as John mentioned.

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Yeah that company handled the entire situation very poorly. What a bad deal overall. I'd have pulled the plug on trying to make it work as soon as I realized I'd be paying my shops hourly rate for R&D though lol not sure why he kept that going voluntarily.

then again I think we've all wasted money on trying to make things work haha thats for sure

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When your car is on a lift and torn apart and you have a don't quit attitude (and money).

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yeah makes sense

I'm getting into the fabrication game... make like 30 of something sell for 3000 ea, do 10 a month, mostly just sit around. Come up with hair brained schemes.

@department_of_boost

redfirepearlgt said:

I just got to thinking. Weatherman, do you have the AC compressor set to deactivate at WOT in the tune? IF so could that be why the KC failed to work as described? You didn't mention anything about that in your write up, so thought I would throw that out there as food for thought. After all the KC fully depends on the AC compressor running 100% of the time to do its job. If it kicks out on a pass at WOT there is no heat removal just induced heat from the IC and pump recirculation and what little a heat exchanger can muster. Then again KC may address that wit ha switch and relay that bypass cycling of the A/C compressor by the tune to eliminate this problem.???????

Just asking because as 01yellercobra has pointed out the SVT terminator community seems to like the unit well enough.

Thoughts???

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The set up that weather man posted about is supposed to be a stand alone system. It has it's own compressor so you don't have to tap into the vehicles A/C system.

Built to take advantage of the properties of thermodynamics

taken down by the laws of conservation of energy...

palanza7 said:

I mean, in theory it makes sense. I can't imagine anything being better than flowing 50 degree water through your intercooler. No amount of 80 degree air flowing through a heat exchanger should work better than lower than ambient water. Whether its being executed correctly, that id assume is the issue. Or flow rate, or some combination of that.

edit: holy SHIT what on earth? who spends " 80 hours of labor " @ 5,000 dollars on having one of these installed? holy shit

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Yep, sounds like the install shop screwed him also. With 80 hours they should of been able to do a full kit install 16 times.

One of the guys here has a blue terminator with a KC unit. His runs through the A/C. When he first got it, he was happy about it. The intercooler tank (metal) is cold to the touch when it runs. I'll have to ask him if he has had any issues.

The guys at pro edge are good dudes, I have gone to their track rentals. Billy must of had a nightmare on his hands to charge 80 hours labor, as I don't see him gouging anyone like that.

01yellerCobra said:

The set up that weather man posted about is supposed to be a stand alone system. It has it's own compressor so you don't have to tap into the vehicles A/C system.

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Gotcha. Never mind.

v6tungsten said:

Yep, sounds like the install shop screwed him also. With 80 hours they should of been able to do a full kit install 16 times.

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You start fiddly bitting everything and the hours add up fast. The shop was upfront, the car owner said keep going.