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my 4.30's are frpp but the part number ends with a M, so pretty sure they are made by motive for ford. Don't care really I dont. But my buddy installed them, he's done a few sets, I expected a little bit of whine from his part, and some from the gears. Guess what, they whine, o well! Why Henry Ford invented loud pipes!
 

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my 4.30's are frpp but the part number ends with a M, so pretty sure they are made by motive for ford. Don't care really I dont. But my buddy installed them, he's done a few sets, I expected a little bit of whine from his part, and some from the gears. Guess what, they whine, o well! Why Henry Ford invented loud pipes!


When I drove your GT I noticed more noise from your shifter than the gears.
 

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We have had no issues with gear whining with 4.10's

They only gear that we've had problems with is the motive 3.90's

We fix the problem with a little friction modifier which we can get for you.


We use FRPP non-motive gears as well as Yukon for race cars b/c they are a hell of a lot stronger.


just wish you guys were in tn not fl. not to many shops in this area i would trust to put gears in mine. not even the dealers around here would i trust to guarantee a no whine install. and for the $500 in labor alone it better not whine. should there be a little whine for the first 500 miles or so? or none at all? i have had shops tell me that there will always be some whine during the break-in period.
 

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I got a used set of FRPP 4.10s and my buddy installed them...it has his first gear install ever and I have no whine!:nana:

I know that since I just bragged about it that if I decide to go to 4.30s or 4.56s and he installs them again ill have gear whine
 

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I got a used set of FRPP 4.10s and my buddy installed them...it has his first gear install ever and I have no whine!:nana:

I know that since I just bragged about it that if I decide to go to 4.30s or 4.56s and he installs them again ill have gear whine


some of us wont be that lucky. lol
 

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When I drove your GT I noticed more noise from your shifter than the gears.

roger! I didnt reinstall that lame rubber boot over my sexy ass MGW! I was lazy. So lots of noise from the road....which you can see when you take the fake leather boot off....
 

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should there be a little whine for the first 500 miles or so? or none at all? i have had shops tell me that there will always be some whine during the break-in period.



There shouldn't be whine at all. Whine means that the backlash is not set properly and IF it goes away it's b/c it wore down unevenly and now material is warn away.
 

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There shouldn't be whine at all. Whine means that the backlash is not set properly and IF it goes away it's b/c it wore down unevenly and now material is warn away.

thanks john. that is what i thought. and told the guy i would find someone else to do my gears if/ and when i do them. and walked away.
thanks again for clearing this up john.
 

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If I didnt drive my car everyday id have 4.30s or 4.56s for sure!

I have 4.56's and 28" tires on my DD. I am getting 22 mpg on the highway and 17.5 on the streets (unless I get jammed up in stop-n-go traffic).

As far as gear whine goes, John pretty much hit it on the head. The only time you may hear gear whine and there is nothing wrong is when you run hemi joints on your control arms.

I had zero gear noise with my polly's, put the hemi's in and thought the gears went bad. At 70 mph I couldn't talk to my passangers cuz it was so loud. Just for giggles, I put the pollys back in and I had zero noise. I am still running the hemi's because I love the traction, but not for much longer. GD they make a lot of noise.
 

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They only gear that we've had problems with is the motive 3.90's


ahhhhhhhhhhh boy do i love my motive 3.90's lol actually they really aren't that bad i get a little whine but not bad at all like you said i think i just need to throw in some fric. mod.

I had zero gear noise with my polly's, put the hemi's in and thought the gears went bad. At 70 mph I couldn't talk to my passangers cuz it was so loud. Just for giggles, I put the pollys back in and I had zero noise. I am still running the hemi's because I love the traction, but not for much longer. GD they make a lot of noise.


which ones marc ? i just installed the bmr adj. lowers and i really don't find they are that bad i did notice a change but i also swapped to 20's with like 35 series tires at the same time so i know that had alot to do with it too
 

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which ones marc ? i just installed the bmr adj. lowers and i really don't find they are that bad i did notice a change but i also swapped to 20's with like 35 series tires at the same time so i know that had alot to do with it too

The poly was FRPP SVT's. The Hemi's are BMR Race Dbl Adj. The gears were/are FRPP 4.10's and 4.56's.

I am going to order the BMR fixed tubulars this month.
 

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The poly was FRPP SVT's. The Hemi's are BMR Race Dbl Adj. The gears were/are FRPP 4.10's and 4.56's.

I am going to order the BMR fixed tubulars this month.


huh no shit i run the same ones ...... i wonder why yours are so loud maybe your exhaust is quieter lmao with my stroker/heads/cams ect. my stock exhaust is still loud as hell id hate to hear it if i still had my slp's on
 

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LOL My car exhaust is really quiet. Helps add to the sleeper look and feel I am going for.

I raced a guy at T&T the other day. He swore there was no way I was running 8.3 in the 1/8. I tried to get him to put some cash on it, but he wouldn't.

I ran so hard that you heard the LSD banging as it popped the spring. I rolled through the traps in neutral and still pulled an 8.51. In the pits he came up to me and said "damn, your car is deceptive!" hahahahahhaaa.
 

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LOL My car exhaust is really quiet. Helps add to the sleeper look and feel I am going for.

I raced a guy at T&T the other day. He swore there was no way I was running 8.3 in the 1/8. I tried to get him to put some cash on it, but he wouldn't.

I ran so hard that you heard the LSD banging as it popped the spring. I rolled through the traps in neutral and still pulled an 8.51. In the pits he came up to me and said "damn, your car is deceptive!" hahahahahhaaa.

shit has to be even with my stock mufflers its still loud as hell im about to have to install resonators in the midpipes too lol if i ever quit breaking it i'll get a vid
 

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I have 3:73s and am switching to 4:10s, these cars LOVE shorter gears...dont fear the gear!
 

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Im considering 4:10's on my 06. MOds: full exhaust, cai,tune and rear tire size 295's/35's/18's. Do i need to get it re tuned after putting in gears, if i dont how bad is my speedo gonna be off. i currently got a brenspeed tune do i need to get a new one from seth or can i manually do it on my xcal2 and still keep the 93 oct tune im currently running from him. currently running low 13's on street tires in the 1/4 mile, a change of gears gonna help me break 12's. and how bad would my gas miliage change. 80% of my driving is hwy.

Thanks, to anybody who can answer these questions.

I asked Brenspeed about gears and/or different size tires and they said both are user adjustable.

what he say just swap the gear ratio and revs per mile if a different tire size too

adjustable with in the tune i got from them? i was thinking once i uploaded one of there tunes into my tuner it was a tune with the settings all set didnt know i can go in there and adjust them if wanted, correct or am i way off? Sorry havent played much w/ my tuner, im afraid to break shit :) then i'll be saying :helpme:

I got mine yesterday and have only looked at it so far... Waiting to go through another tank of 93 so I can go straight to that tune.

http://www.brenspeed.com/tech.html

The user adjustability video is apparently the older sct but I'd assume it works about the same.

First off, my apologies for resurrecting such an old thread. However, I recently changed my axle gear/ratio from 4:10 back to 3:55. According to Brenspeed, they said I can make parameter changes in their custom calibration tunes for the rear axle and tire revs per mile through the end user adjustment menu with the SCT X-4. After making the axle ratio change, I also changed the RPM by starting out at 775 RPM according to the specs from the Goodyear website for the Eagle F1 supercar tires which are 285/40/18. I then went ahead and did a speedometer vs GPS comparison test and found that my speedometer was reading 60MPH in 4th gear at 2000 RPM while the GPS was reading 40MPH. Needless to say, I knew from that moment my speedometer was way off by 20+ MPH when compared to the GPS. Afterward, I came across some tire/speedo calculation sites in which two of them claim the correct RPM specs for a 285/40/18" tire is 748 RPM. Their reason? their calculations are based upon the tires being installed on the vehicle while under load rather than uninstalled with no load according to manufacture specs. At any rate, I proceeded by changing the RPM setting from 775 down to 750 RPM on the SCT X-4 and did another test run comparison. According to the Speedometer, I was doing 60 MPH in 5th gear at 2000 RPM, but when compared to the GPS? the GPS was reading between 65-68 MPH while in the same gear and same RPM. Therefore following the second test run comparison, my speedometer is now off between 5-8 MPH slower when compared with my actual speed according to the GPS. I also made several other RPM adjustment changes ranging between 750-765 and then from 750 down to 720 RPM but despite the changes, my speedo was still off between the very same 5-8 MPH slower than the actual speed compared to the GPS which pretty much were the same results from the second test run with the 750 RPM selected. Anyhow my concerns are this, after speaking to someone from SCT tech support, they claim that even if a custom tuning vendor provides the end user to make parameter adjustments to any of their custom tunes, the adjustments will NOT change the parameter settings and claim that the vehicle's ECM will still have the 4:10 gear ratio from the original custom tune files and would, therefore, require a new tune revision from the tuning vendor that includes the new 3:55 gear ratio change, otherwise any adjustment change from the end user will not download from the device into the vehicle's ECM. That being said, would this possibly explain the speedometer issues I've been having? In the meantime, If anyone can offer any feedback/input? I'd really appreciate it.


Thanks.

Edit: Forgot to mention, my wheel specs are 18x9.5" diameter with 45mm offset!
 
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You should have access to TWO adjustments in your X4. Gear ration AND revs/mile (tire size)

First, you set the gear ration to whatever gears got installed. Then fine tune the speedo with tire size (revs/mile).

Ps: There are actually three adjustable parms, but I've never seen the third one on the X4. The actual tire size. Ex 235/55R17. But all this really does is change the revs/mile anyway.

On the gear noise, there are two critical adjustments that need to be made. Pinion depth and backlash. When set correctly, the tooth contact pattern will be where it should be on the gears. The pinion depth is the tough one to get right, and it is set by the shim under the pinion bearing. If you have gear noise, it is very likely the contact pattern is not correct, even if backlash is where it should be.
 

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Yes, I'm fully well aware of having access to the TWO adjustments as in gear ratio and revs/mile (tire size) As for the X-4? there is no third option for adjusting actual tire size Ex 235/55R17 At any rate, I clearly stated in my previous post that I set the gear ratio and selected 3:55 in which I also had installed by a custom shop, therefore the pinion depth and backlash were set correctly. I also clearly stated that I made adjustments several times by fine-tuning the speedo with revs per mile setting. However, as also mentioned in the previous post, despite all the adjustment changes made thru the X4, my speedometer is still off between 5-8 MPH slower when compared to my actual speed from my GPS. So once again as also previously mentioned, I was told by someone from SCT tech support that if the X4 has a custom tune file? the end user is required to have the custom tune vendor provide a revised tune file with the new gear ratio, as the SCT tech rep claims that even if the custom tuning vendor provides the end user with the ability to make parameter adjustments? they will NOT function accurately nor properly when uploaded into the vehicle from the X4 device. In other words, the SCT tech support rep is claiming that parameter changes can only be made by the end user with their preloaded X4 tuning files. That being said, is this SCT tech support rep I spoke with right about this or is he full of fucking shit and has no idea as to what he's talking about!
 
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Yes, I'm fully well aware of having access to the TWO adjustments as in gear ratio and revs/mile (tire size) As for the X-4? there is no third option for adjusting actual tire size Ex 235/55R17 At any rate, I clearly stated in my previous post that I set the gear ratio and selected 3:55 in which I also had installed by a custom shop, therefore the pinion depth and backlash were set correctly. I also clearly stated that I made adjustments several times by fine-tuning the speedo with revs per mile setting. However, as also mentioned in the previous post, despite all the adjustment changes made thru the X4, my speedometer is still off between 5-8 MPH slower when compared to my actual speed from my GPS. So once again as also previously mentioned, I was told by someone from SCT tech support that if the X4 has a custom tune file? the end user is required to have the custom tune vendor provide a revised tune file with the new gear ratio, as the SCT tech rep claims that even if the custom tuning vendor provides the end user with the ability to make parameter adjustments? they will NOT function accurately nor properly when uploaded into the vehicle from the X4 device. In other words, the SCT tech support rep is claiming that parameter changes can only be made by the end user with their preloaded X4 tuning files. That being said, is this SCT tech support rep I spoke with right about this or is he full of fucking shit and has no idea as to what he's talking about!
Whoever is writing your tunes for you needs to make the change. The X4 will either let you change certain parameters provided you’re using the SCT preloaded tunes or it locks those features once you go to using custom tunes at which point your tuner has to write the change into the custom tune
 

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Just trying to learn here:

Why did the end user made changes, per post #36, change the speedometer error from 20+ to 5-8 MPH while other changes had no affect?

Thanks,

Joe
 

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