Which boosted solution? 5.0

SilverBullet2013 · Apr 20, 2019

Cost aside, if you had a choice between different supercharger packages as well as twin turbo thrown in as an option, which would you choose?

My goal is to have a quick off the line beast. A Dodge Demon "ass kicker"!!! Down low power that just builds and builds stop-light to stop-light.

Is what I am looking for possible in such a boosted package of unleashed "hell" or would it just take a ton of mods and boosted solution on top?

P.S. If Demon "ass kicker" is too ambitious. A Hellcat "Pussy stomper" would be a great plan b.

Riptide · Apr 20, 2019

A boosted stock gen1 5.0 can take a stock hellcat. Demon would be much more difficult.

Turbo FTW

SilverBullet2013 · Apr 20, 2019

Any packages that are more suited to street racing? Edelbrock, Procharger, Rousch, Whipple, Paxton, Vortech, Armageddon Twin Turbocharger, Hellion Twin Turbocharger

JJ427R · Apr 20, 2019

What year 5.0? That would make a difference to me... If a newer one with factory warranty you could put a 675-700hp Roush SC on it and keep your warranty, up to 727hp if not concerned with the warranty. Much easier to manage the power with the Roush than the Hellion kit, especially if you ever want to get on a road track with it. If looking for straight line speed, go with the Hellion Twins...

DiMora · Apr 20, 2019

Hmmmm, so many amazing choices, but I would go Hellion twins.

06JET · Apr 20, 2019

There are so many options out there for the newer 5.0"s it is unbelievable. The twin turbo's are just super cool and add massive power. The twins is what I would go with. Just remember, you have to put it to the ground or you won't even beat a little 4.6 Procharged car.

Too much HP and no traction is a recipe for disaster for the car and some hurt pride for the driver.

SilverBullet2013 · Apr 20, 2019

2013 GT Stock right now. No warranty to worry about.

SilverBullet2013 · Apr 20, 2019

Sounds like the Hellion TT is the answer for stop-light to stop-light races or rolling 40s.
Is it true that with the Turbo setup I can install a boost controller like in my glove box and
adjust boost say from 9.0 to 14 lbs in an instant or am I over simplifying it? I am sure
I have it wrong or there is some limitation.

eighty6gt · Apr 21, 2019

https://m.facebook.com/CPRsm/posts/247281018762823

I know a guy with a boss 302 and this setup . He literally makes a mockery out of everything .

DiMora · Apr 21, 2019

I had a turbo Chrysler car when I was a teenager (Dodge Omni GLH Turbo) and the Mustang was my first blower car, so up until now I would have said blower...don't get me wrong - I am a huge fan of blowers with their instant power, but two weeks ago I saw a bone-stock S550 5.0 car with Hellion twins run low 9's with only rims and tires. Un-believable!

The coolest thing about turbocharging is the ability to CONTROL your power with a progressive boost controller and a good blow-off valve.

Also, turbos need to spool up, so that helps with low end traction (or lack thereof with a blower) but then when they get going the power is amazing...and you are using exhaust gasses that would otherwise be wasted vs. the parasitic loss of driving a blower off of the crank, so they are more efficient. Add to that the fact that intercooling them with an air-to-air intercooler is so simple (no coolant, water or pumps and plumbing to deal with) and they become even more appealing. Get some ceramic ball bearing turbos and make some SICK power. You can make sick power with a blower too, but it seems much easier to me with turbos on a 5.0.

Like this 9.1 @ 154:

https://www.facebook.com/cponder3/v...312283567/?type=2&video_source=user_video_tab

Riptide · Apr 21, 2019

That ability to control the power seems like a real attractive option to me. No need to swap pulleys between street and race track pulls. You can make a ton of power w/gen2+ coyotes the issue is going to be pump gasoline and also traction on the street. The boost controller seems like it would greatly simplify dealing with that issue.

DiMora · Apr 21, 2019

Riptide said:
That ability to control the power seems like a real attractive option to me. No need to swap pulleys between street and race track pulls. You can make a ton of power w/gen2+ coyotes the issue is going to be pump gasoline and also traction on the street. The boost controller seems like it would greatly simplify dealing with that issue.

Depending on where you live, E85 becomes an attractive solution. You can also have two tunes, one for 92/93 octane and one for E85.

Riptide · Apr 21, 2019

If you live on the east coast or in the south it is more common. Towards the west coast good luck. Most of us are screwed.

JJ427R · Apr 21, 2019

I live in corn country in southern MN and surprisingly it's not that available around me either, I have about half a dozen Ethanol plants within 50 miles of me too.
My wife has a Flex Fuel Grand Marquis so we've tried corn fuel in that, overall it averaged out to be about the same cost as regular gas, and because it uses Ethanol faster, she had to fill her car twice as often, which she hated, especially in winter. In our opinion it was not worth burning in that car, and it really pisses of my corn growing friend, who's invested in a plant, when I tell him that.
If the government was not subsidizing the Ethanol industry it wouldn't even be happening. It makes more power which is great for high performance and racing, but for everyday burning it needs a lot of work.

06JET · Apr 21, 2019

DiMora said:
I had a turbo Chrysler car when I was a teenager (Dodge Omni GLH Turbo) and the Mustang was my first blower car, so up until now I would have said blower...don't get me wrong

By the way, My first car was similar, a 87 Dodge Shelby Charger 2.2 Turbo. It was a lot of fun. It lasted 6 months before I totaled it at 115mph.
Like this 9.1 @ 154:

[QUOTE="https://www.facebook.com/cponder3/v...567/?type=2&video_source=user_video_tab/QUOTE]

Holy Crap!!! The redline is 6500 and he was shifting at 8000. Those twins are impressive.

Pentalab · Apr 23, 2019

How do they do the plumbing for twin turbos..and still get some ground clearance ? That's a lot of big diam plumbing to mess with. You would have an input and output for the cold side of each turbo..and ditto for the hot side of each turbo. That's 8 pipes in total to mess with. Then toss in the air to air HE.

On a similar note, a single turbo on a V8 baffles me. You would have to then combine the 8 x exhausts into one tube..into the hot side of the single turbo. I know it's been done before, but the myriad of plumbing on either a single or twin turbo appears to be a nightmare. How does it all fit ?

A buddy in CT just bought a used 2016 Dodge charger Hellcat, with the 707 hp / 658 tq blown 6.2L eng. It comes with 275-40-20 rubber on all 4 x corners...and all mounted onto 20 x 9.5 rims. 8 speed automatic. He tells me he just blows on the gas pedal, without really getting into it, and back end breaks loose, and back end all over the map. Suggested to him to use a 315-35-20 on a 20 x 11 rim. Which will easily fit on the rear of his 4 door dodge...and would be the same tire diam as oem. As is, it's useless at best for his street car use...and currently dangerous.

JJ427R · Apr 23, 2019

^^I'm with Pentalab on this one, I had to cut my front fascia just to get a larger radiator and heat exchanger in my car, what do they have to cut out for the turbos and all that plumbing.

In reality you get anything over 600 hp in these cars and it becomes almost unusable, hell my Roush with 400 to the rear wheels is enough to handle. I can blow the tires off with that, I don't need another 300hp to do it.

I ran at BIR a couple years ago with a gentleman who has a newer Camaro and has tried several different turbo setup's, the day I was running with him he was pushing 800hp with dual turbos, but similar to the old Porsche turbos he could not control it coming out of the corners when those turbos spooled up. Funniest thing, a 160hp Miata walked all over him all day long.

PonyBoy · Apr 23, 2019

Take a look at the STS twin turbo remote install kits. Turbos go behind the rear wheels! Great solution to engine compartment cramping and avoids all that additional heat in the engine compartment. It comes with everything you need including all the piping, valves, gages, tuner, intercooler, turbos, injectors, etc. There is basically no cutting or chopping except you cut the exhaust pipes before the mufflers. My 4.6L 3V is having one installed now. I am working with the owner of STS - Rick Squires. With just basic pressure boost and nothing else, we're looking at going from stock 315 HP to around 600HP. It can be pushed to higher, over 900 HP, but it would required building the internals out

01yellerCobra · Apr 23, 2019

Pentalab said:
How do they do the plumbing for twin turbos..and still get some ground clearance ? That's a lot of big diam plumbing to mess with. You would have an input and output for the cold side of each turbo..and ditto for the hot side of each turbo. That's 8 pipes in total to mess with. Then toss in the air to air HE.

On a similar note, a single turbo on a V8 baffles me. You would have to then combine the 8 x exhausts into one tube..into the hot side of the single turbo. I know it's been done before, but the myriad of plumbing on either a single or twin turbo appears to be a nightmare. How does it all fit ?

A buddy in CT just bought a used 2016 Dodge charger Hellcat, with the 707 hp / 658 tq blown 6.2L eng. It comes with 275-40-20 rubber on all 4 x corners...and all mounted onto 20 x 9.5 rims. 8 speed automatic. He tells me he just blows on the gas pedal, without really getting into it, and back end breaks loose, and back end all over the map. Suggested to him to use a 315-35-20 on a 20 x 11 rim. Which will easily fit on the rear of his 4 door dodge...and would be the same tire diam as oem. As is, it's useless at best for his street car use...and currently dangerous.

Have you never seen a turbo set up in person? It's not that confusing.

Pentalab · Apr 24, 2019

01yellerCobra said:
Have you never seen a turbo set up in person? It's not that confusing.

Nope, never seen one in person. Never seen detailed pix of the plumbing either. Just the typ pix with the hood up.... which doesn't show me how it's done.

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