Brembo brakes retrofitted to 06 GT

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First post here; I thought I joined years ago, but apparently never did.

Finally getting around to some some brake upgrades I’ve been piecing together for about three years... But, I wanted to run this by more experienced people.

These are the calipers I purchased:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/GT500-COBR...-FRONT-BREMBO-MOTORCRAFT-W-PADS-/123741922122

The seller is clearly not entirely honest, as this is a new posting, but using the same picture for the set that I purchased, despite stating what is in the picture is what is being sold. However, I don’t want to assume the worst because of something like that.

However, the calipers themselves have what appear to be decal/sticker Brembo logos. Is this normal? I found an “identical” looking caliper on Tasca’s sight, but could not find a picture of a similar caliper actually on a Mustang.

Has anyone ordered these before? Or, can anyone verify the sticker/decal thing?
Much appreciated.
 

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Those look like they are off a 11+ brembo upgrade car and not a GT500, they should work fine, many guys have upgraded to those. Search the site for write ups
 

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First post here; I thought I joined years ago, but apparently never did.

Finally getting around to some some brake upgrades I’ve been piecing together for about three years... But, I wanted to run this by more experienced people.

These are the calipers I purchased:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/GT500-COBR...-FRONT-BREMBO-MOTORCRAFT-W-PADS-/123741922122

The seller is clearly not entirely honest, as this is a new posting, but using the same picture for the set that I purchased, despite stating what is in the picture is what is being sold. However, I don’t want to assume the worst because of something like that.

However, the calipers themselves have what appear to be decal/sticker Brembo logos. Is this normal? I found an “identical” looking caliper on Tasca’s sight, but could not find a picture of a similar caliper actually on a Mustang.

Has anyone ordered these before? Or, can anyone verify the sticker/decal thing?
Much appreciated.

I ordered those. They are not Brembo castings and they are not rebuilt Brembos either.
I ordered a set of "Chinese Brembos" from rock auto. I then had a lot of issues bleeding
my brakes and even though I didn't think the calipers were the issue, I decided to get
real Ford Brembos.

Got them from the same guy off E-bay and immediately I knew they were the fake chinese brembos.
I called him out on it and he refused to concede. I returned them and the guy damaged them on purpose, so he could make a claim against E-bay (and try to make me look bad I guess).

Here is one way I knew. Look at his 3rd pic of bleeder screw with small green dot of paint.

https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/kakAAOSwMVZbnubU/s-l1600.jpg

Now look at my chinese fakes here.

http://luxjo.supermotors.net/MUSTANG GT/BRAKES/BREMBOS FRONT/COMPARISON/20170411_132640.jpg

Also, rubber cap is not what brembo/ford uses. See real brembo rubber cap here. See small ring around rubber cap, about halfway up. My real brembos brand new from ford had those same rubber caps as the GT500

http://luxjo.supermotors.net/MUSTANG GT/BRAKES/BREMBOS FRONT/2014 MUSTANG BRAKES/Brembo 4 piston.JPG

Add in no ford PN or embossed brembo on the fake one's.

I reported that guy to E-bay and Brembo, but neither cared........... (never even got reply from Brembo)
 
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That... is disconcerting. I have no desire to put fakes on a car I intend to drive hard.

Did you get anything back? How long ago?
 

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That... is disconcerting. I have no desire to put fakes on a car I intend to drive hard.

Did you get anything back? How long ago?

I returned them almost immediately, as I said I had already bought a set of fake
one's and knew what they were. It was around last summer that I dealt with this guy.

Another way to know on fake one's is look for a 4 digit engraved code.
Here are the one's from that guy on E-bay.

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Here are the fake one's I got off rockauto.

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and of course none of the fake one's have these embossements.

Brembo%20Caliper%20BR3Z-2B121-B%20(11).JPG


Also, Ford/Brembo does not paint the bolt heads or fittings on cross over tubes like this guy does (see below).

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Not sure if these fake one's are really that bad of calipers overall
(several guys running them on SVTperformance I believe),
but I was pissed this guy claimed they were new Ford original parts.
I would not chance it if you plan on running road courses though.
 

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I am loving my fake brembos what are brake calipers except a casting some seals and pistons, should cost $5
 

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I've been running my Chicom Brembos for 2 years now, have not had any issues with them at all. For knockoffs they seem to be pretty decent.
 

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Aside from the Chinese knock-off aspect of this, here’s the application of the part number provided by the seller: “Mustang. Right. Base, gt, with boss 302. With performance brakes. Base, gt, with performance pkg.”

These calipers are also available from online Ford Dealers for around $250-$270ish per caliper. I think Ford would also add a $50 casting charge.
 

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Aside from the Chinese knock-off aspect of this, here’s the application of the part number provided by the seller: “Mustang. Right. Base, gt, with boss 302. With performance brakes. Base, gt, with performance pkg.”

These calipers are also available from online Ford Dealers for around $250-$270ish per caliper. I think Ford would also add a $50 casting charge.

The issue to me is you can get what he is selling, including non ford pads
(he doesn't even supply ford pads like he says) for about $200.........
 

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Here are the parts that i used for the conversion, not every part is needed, some are optional some are needed as part of the conversion.

front Calipers, Ford:
FR3Z-2B120-H L/F
FR3Z-2B121-H R/F
Washer
1/2" Diameter, 4 needed. Goes between spindle and caliper to center the caliper.
Hardware kit, NAPA:
UP84274A
Rotors 14", Front 2010/2014 Mustang GT
SPH-127-61089 L/F
SPH-127-61089 R/F
Brake Pads,Optional
Ford, GR3Z-2001-B
Extreme Power Stop, Z26
EBC, DP33042Z (what i used)
The above parts list constitutes what is needed to do the conversion.

Additional parts that maybe needed, depending on your vehicle model/year:
Brake Hoses
Russell 693380. Avoid square banjos as they require some modification. Round banjos will fit with no modifications.
Front Spacers.
Maybe needed, depends on your wheels size and offset.

This is all you need, get all the parts "before" you put your car on jacks. Ask me how i know! Good Luc
 

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First I've heard of needing any centering washers for a straight up Brembo swap. I know you need washers for the '15+ calipers but not for the 4-piston Brembos.
 

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I appreciate the input from everyone. I’ve been busy for work and have not yet returned these, but did send a message to the seller after one of the earlier responses here.

Here’s the response:

Hello..we are FoxbodyFanatics and have been supplying the mustang enthusiast crowd from road coarse to drag strip with cobra brakes and brembos since late 93' ..so let me see if I can help..
Yes..its clearly true..you purchased NOS ( again yes means new old stock/ old inventory) Motorcraft Brembos without embossments..Flat black finish with red lettering..They all come the same to us..same boxes, same finish, same lettering, as seen in pictures..so yes we reuse the same picture as they all are exactly the same..As is what you received, same as the pictures..These are from June of 2018 and were back stock of a Motorcraft supplier that closed and were purchased in a pallet sale..( as is a huge portion of our inventory)
The m2300s comes with remand production calipers with embossments..( so you understand fully Motorcraft has about 1300 Remaners that reman their parts from steering gears to calipers..variations across the remand line are present somewhat but remain on the minimal side..)
So yes they are Motorcraft Brembo..
Yes..they are NOS
Yes..we reuse the picture as the calipers are all exactly the same..
And yes they all have the same materials...
We carry both remand productions( same as the S kit And new post production versions..and side by side only the embossments on one and not the other is the difference..
While takeoffs can be a good deal sometimes....they almost 90% of the time come off a wrecked car..this stress can bend the backside mounting ear causing the piston to pinch inside slowing down movement or even
freezing..and for remands the tolerance spec for piston bore size and runout is on the medium to larger side..whats this mean?..well nothing if one of the 1300 remanners did their job to the T and dotted their i's but if they let it slide so to say..its sloppy piston strokes
..now add 300 degrees and a 5k car braking in a corner at 45mph and there's a significantly higher chance of lockup on a remand then the same caliper brand new out the box ..
Continued)..
I do understand your questioning..but rest assured your braking is about to be Awesome..take it from me,.. the owner( Ron) is a retired Ford engineer with 20 years with them in steering and brakes and holds two patents ..
everybody comes to him in the mustang world who wants brakes..and he's strict on his business practices too..( runs a tight ship so to say..,did you see the thorough packing they came in?.. He personally inspects every box before the lids shut..)
We do offer the boxes during a purchase if asked..but it changes the shipping quite considerably..as it ships UPS and is large and heavy where as the USPS flat rate is quicker and cheaper for the customer..
I run these Same brembos on my 12' with stainless hoses and slotted rotors ..huge difference over the gt's.

Thank you,
John Wusby
Customer Service Rep. II
FoxFan Brakes LLC.
 

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LOL!!, guys story gets better all the time.
Two more ways you know they are not Brembos.

See this area of the casting on real brembo
(second one is a reman of an actual Brembo casting)

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See how that part of casting is squared off, and then the flat is machined.
Now look at his caliper, not squared off......

IMG_1962%20marked.jpg


Convenient it looks just like the fake Chinese one's.

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Also, on inside of casting near pistons. Real Brembo

Brembo%20Caliper%20BR3Z-2B121-B%20(19).JPG


Now his calipers

20180912_161352.jpg


After all the counterfitting problems Brembo has had, I'm sure they went out of
their way to make a special casting for this guy, that leaves no identifying marks
that they are real and/or no Ford PN whatsoever, anywhere on them (and they
happen to be identical to fake chinese castings). At least if your going to use the
chinese one's, pay the chinese price.
 

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I appreciate the detailed input received here. I have a return label and will be sending these back. Rather than seek takeoffs, I do plan to simply order these from Tasca.

With that said, does anyone have part numbers for the hardware (bolts, etc) that will be needed?

On the S550 Brembo upgrade... that would be awesome, but I do not want to also purchase larger wheels. Just got a set of previous generation 18x10 SVE Drifts and am pretty excited with just that improvement.
 

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I get wanting what you paid for.

But, to the point made above, if the price is right, I'm not sure Brembo's are that much better than other 4/6 piston versions. I bought the red Powerstop 4 piston versions. They look just like Brembos and perform fine.

Heck, the casts might be from the same place for all we know. So often, parts anymore will come from the same manufacturer and get rebranded several times. I'm not convinced this doesn't happen with the 4 and 6 piston calipers also. I have my doubts that Brembo does its own casting, as opposed to buying from someone who also sells to the Powerstop, the Chinese, whoever.
 

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The S550 4-piston brakes are enormous. I was originally going to go that route but couldn't make the brakes work with the wheels I have. I don't know much about the 6-piston S550 Brembos. The distance off the face of the rotor was what was giving me issues.

As for the hardware, you just need a Brembo caliper hardware kit (pins and spring clips) from wherever (I don't have part numbers, i just ordered it from rockauto). Uses the same caliper bolts and flex lines.
 

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The S550 4-piston brakes are enormous. I was originally going to go that route but couldn't make the brakes work with the wheels I have. I don't know much about the 6-piston S550 Brembos. The distance off the face of the rotor was what was giving me issues.

As for the hardware, you just need a Brembo caliper hardware kit (pins and spring clips) from wherever (I don't have part numbers, i just ordered it from rockauto). Uses the same caliper bolts and flex lines.

I bought the S550 4 pistons also. Even with light grinding, couldn't
get them to fit with my wheels unless I used at least a 3/8 spacer.

They stick out a good 1/4 inch more (vs WMS) than the Chinese castings
(never did measure the Ford Brembos).

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