My Edlebrock e-Force Supercharger Kit showed up today

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NICE!

Now you got me thinking bout installing 1 of these Edelbrock E-Force SC'ers………………………………..

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Well so far things did not go so well -

VMPs tuners did not like what they were seeing from the Fuel Injectors (60# Ford Units) and the MAF sensor (which was provided by Edelbrock in the Stage 2 kit).

They requested to change the injectors out to Ford 59# units (which are a different design) and want to use the stock MAF (which I am sending to them).

So the car is going to stay there for about a week while all this gets done. . . . So stay tuned (no pun intended).
 

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NICE!

Now you got me thinking bout installing 1 of these Edelbrock E-Force SC'ers………………………………..

:D

If your going with a super charger, I'd go with a VMP at least a Gen 3. I just installed one on my '11 and works great.
 

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You don't need a VMP Gen3, or a VMP at all to make good power on a Coyote or a 3v. You can run an m122 with a DOB intake for far less money than any VMP blower cost.
 

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If your going with a super charger, I'd go with a VMP at least a Gen 3. I just installed one on my '11 and works great.

Naw, this Edelbrock E-Force SC will fill all my performance needs as I really don't want no more than around 450 HP max....more than enough HP for me & is a well vetted package for the 3V & I like the instant TQ output that a TVS package would provide, but the main reason why the Edelbrock E-Force SC package is perking my attention is that this package is IMHO the best LOOKING SC package out there AND is the perfect color combo for my Stang ('09 black-on-black). Others may not agree w\ this but this is a MAJOR plus w\ me if I do go w\ a SC.

I have been resistant on the idea of installing any SC'ing on my car, not because I don't want 1....I really don't want to be having to do all the support work in maintaining 1 when the system in reality will actually be used very little (I don't race or track my car on a consistent enough basis to justify the costs in my mind of ownership\maintenance). Of course all this may very well change if I ever got 1 but right now this is where I stand, but reading this thread & seeing this very SC system being installed & going thru the process towards completion is tempting.….very tempting indeed!

Well so far things did not go so well -

VMPs tuners did not like what they were seeing from the Fuel Injectors (60# Ford Units) and the MAF sensor (which was provided by Edelbrock in the Stage 2 kit).

They requested to change the injectors out to Ford 59# units (which are a different design) and want to use the stock MAF (which I am sending to them).

So the car is going to stay there for about a week while all this gets done. . . . So stay tuned (no pun intended).

Just curious, what's the beef w\ the Ford 60# injectors? Spray pattern? Or is it that these are too big an injector to be controlled properly on the low end?
 

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Just curious, what's the beef w\ the Ford 60# injectors? Spray pattern? Or is it that these are too big an injector to be controlled properly on the low end?

Yes they dont like them they told me they have better luck with the Ford 59# units that being said I told them lets work with what you know works.

If you decide to in get that Edelbrock kit - I think you will be happy it was a nice straight forward install and wonderfully planned out kit.
 

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So let me let everyone know my VMP Performance experience. (short version for those that dont want to read the long version: TERRIBLE, Worst ever)

I took the car there 11 days ago, I was told it would take about 3 hours to tune on the Dyno. I left them to do what they do, at about 4.5 hours later I came back from Daytona Beach (near them) after not having received any calls or updates, the car was on the dyno, but I was informed that no tuning had taken place they were having problems with the MAF sensor and the fuel injectors. (dont ask me for specifics on this I am not a tuner, that is why I was paying 850$ to have someone do the work). So the up sale begins, "we suggest these other fuel injectors and want a different MAF then you have in the car."

Full disclosure here: the MAF Sensor they wanted was a stock unit, which I mailed them right out, and Fuel Injectors they did offer me a credit towards the units they wanted, but mind you all of the parts in the kit were from the Edelbrock kit and they were told from the very beginning that that was the kit and parts installed on the car.

So at this point we had agreed that I would mail them the MAF and that I would purchase the fuel injectors (receiving the partial credit for my Ford Performance 60# units), I came straight home (about an hour away) and mailed that MAF sensor right out it was received that Monday (one week ago today). I called them today and I was told that it still needed some "driveablity tuning", mind you no one has called, emailed texted, smoke signaled or used a carrier pigeon to communicate with me about the work taking place, when it might be done etc.

So my take away from the experience with VMP Performance is unless you are part of their ME TOO crowd(these are the people that are running the exact cookie cutter package they sell) they really dont know how to tune a car. And maybe more importantly they have no idea how to communicate with the client to make the experience and end result a pleasant one for both parties.

The end result is I ended up telling them take off whatever you have done and give me back the car the way it was, as the car did run and drive just fine with the Edelbrock provided Stage 2 tune, you can tell that is not the best tune in the world, but I can not give someone 850$ to do work that I have to push them to do, be up sold, and have an over all terrible experience.

So for those of you that read all of this - have you done the mail tune with Lito?
 

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Sorry for your bad experience, that sucks.

I had my car tuned by a local dyno tuner, and it made good numbers, but since the day of the tuning, it has had issues with drivability that seem to have gotten worse over the past few weeks. I have been in contact with my tuner, but he seems to just be scratching his head and not offering any real solutions, so, like you, I'm seriously considering a tune from Lito, as I have heard nothing but good things from him. I am part of a Facebook group that sings his praises and recommends him to everyone.
 

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Sorry for your bad experience, that sucks.

I had my car tuned by a local dyno tuner, and it made good numbers, but since the day of the tuning, it has had issues with drivability that seem to have gotten worse over the past few weeks. I have been in contact with my tuner, but he seems to just be scratching his head and not offering any real solutions, so, like you, I'm seriously considering a tune from Lito, as I have heard nothing but good things from him. I am part of a Facebook group that sings his praises and recommends him to everyone.

I highly recommend Lito as well. He actually fixed my weird idle drop that I've been dealing with for years. The drive-ability is actually incredible compared to my other tunes.

The remote process with him was very good and I've learned a lot just going back and forth with him and asking questions.
 

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So let me let everyone know my VMP Performance experience. (short version for those that dont want to read the long version: TERRIBLE, Worst ever)

I took the car there 11 days ago, I was told it would take about 3 hours to tune on the Dyno. I left them to do what they do, at about 4.5 hours later I came back from Daytona Beach (near them) after not having received any calls or updates, the car was on the dyno, but I was informed that no tuning had taken place they were having problems with the MAF sensor and the fuel injectors. (dont ask me for specifics on this I am not a tuner, that is why I was paying 850$ to have someone do the work). So the up sale begins, "we suggest these other fuel injectors and want a different MAF then you have in the car."

Full disclosure here: the MAF Sensor they wanted was a stock unit, which I mailed them right out, and Fuel Injectors they did offer me a credit towards the units they wanted, but mind you all of the parts in the kit were from the Edelbrock kit and they were told from the very beginning that that was the kit and parts installed on the car.

So at this point we had agreed that I would mail them the MAF and that I would purchase the fuel injectors (receiving the partial credit for my Ford Performance 60# units), I came straight home (about an hour away) and mailed that MAF sensor right out it was received that Monday (one week ago today). I called them today and I was told that it still needed some "driveablity tuning", mind you no one has called, emailed texted, smoke signaled or used a carrier pigeon to communicate with me about the work taking place, when it might be done etc.

So my take away from the experience with VMP Performance is unless you are part of their ME TOO crowd(these are the people that are running the exact cookie cutter package they sell) they really dont know how to tune a car. And maybe more importantly they have no idea how to communicate with the client to make the experience and end result a pleasant one for both parties.

The end result is I ended up telling them take off whatever you have done and give me back the car the way it was, as the car did run and drive just fine with the Edelbrock provided Stage 2 tune, you can tell that is not the best tune in the world, but I can not give someone 850$ to do work that I have to push them to do, be up sold, and have an over all terrible experience.

So for those of you that read all of this - have you done the mail tune with Lito?

Sorry to hear this, co0p3r. I hope you can get all fixed soon.
 

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So let me let everyone know my VMP Performance experience. (short version for those that dont want to read the long version: TERRIBLE, Worst ever)

I took the car there 11 days ago, I was told it would take about 3 hours to tune on the Dyno. I left them to do what they do, at about 4.5 hours later I came back from Daytona Beach (near them) after not having received any calls or updates, the car was on the dyno, but I was informed that no tuning had taken place they were having problems with the MAF sensor and the fuel injectors. (dont ask me for specifics on this I am not a tuner, that is why I was paying 850$ to have someone do the work). So the up sale begins, "we suggest these other fuel injectors and want a different MAF then you have in the car."

Full disclosure here: the MAF Sensor they wanted was a stock unit, which I mailed them right out, and Fuel Injectors they did offer me a credit towards the units they wanted, but mind you all of the parts in the kit were from the Edelbrock kit and they were told from the very beginning that that was the kit and parts installed on the car.

So at this point we had agreed that I would mail them the MAF and that I would purchase the fuel injectors (receiving the partial credit for my Ford Performance 60# units), I came straight home (about an hour away) and mailed that MAF sensor right out it was received that Monday (one week ago today). I called them today and I was told that it still needed some "driveablity tuning", mind you no one has called, emailed texted, smoke signaled or used a carrier pigeon to communicate with me about the work taking place, when it might be done etc.

So my take away from the experience with VMP Performance is unless you are part of their ME TOO crowd(these are the people that are running the exact cookie cutter package they sell) they really dont know how to tune a car. And maybe more importantly they have no idea how to communicate with the client to make the experience and end result a pleasant one for both parties.

The end result is I ended up telling them take off whatever you have done and give me back the car the way it was, as the car did run and drive just fine with the Edelbrock provided Stage 2 tune, you can tell that is not the best tune in the world, but I can not give someone 850$ to do work that I have to push them to do, be up sold, and have an over all terrible experience.

So for those of you that read all of this - have you done the mail tune with Lito?

For the 3v guys Lito seems to be the best there is.

Now I have a coyote and June I just installed a new VMP Gen3 supercharger with their 67mm throttle body and FIC 1000 injectors to replace my FRPP 2.3 supercharger with FRPP 65mm throttle body and FRPP 47 injectors. I picked this up at Carlisle's Ford event. I gave Justin all the mod info and he created the tune on the X4 while I was there. Installed it that week and loaded the tune and did the logging process and everything looked good. No driveablity issues, and it pulls like a freight train. I had a good experience with them.

I'm not a tuner either but have worked with computers and each have comparability issues with different software and hardware. I have read the two books out on tuning these cars and there is so many different issues that have to work all at the same time.

I'm not knocking your experience was not what you expected, but I don't leave my car with anyone to work on it as rear as that is.
 

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I'm not a tuner either but have worked with computers and each have comparability issues with different software and hardware. I have read the two books out on tuning these cars and there is so many different issues that have to work all at the same time.

I'm not knocking your experience was not what you expected, but I don't leave my car with anyone to work on it as rear as that is.

I totally understand your point, I am a network engineer and have seen some weird things, that being said I can totally understand that they might have had compatibility issues - but the total lack of communications was really the problem, that being said see the below post that is a follow up.
 

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FOLLOW UP to my problems with VMP:

I was contacted about an hour or two after the sales guy asked me what I wanted done (having told him take out what you did and put it back to the Edelbrock provided tune). I was contacted by Chuck the head of sales, he wanted to hear the entire story and fully accepted that they "dropped the ball" he told me where the problem was and did not try and make an excuse for them making a mistake. I can understand mistake happen and his accepting the responsibility actually means a lot to me.

He went over what was done, and we came to an agreement, so they finished tuning the car, and we agreed that I would pay the original quote for Dyno time and tune (650$). I am agreeable to this as it is what I was quoted originally (yes mistakes were made but life is not perfect). I dont really care about the 10 days time, its not a daily driver, and he agreed that they should have communicated.

So in the end I am OK with the outcome and I am happy with management at VMP for stepping up and rectifying the problems, accepting responsibility and doing something to make it right.

I was told that the car put out 463 to the wheels(which is great as my requested was about 450), I was not able to get the car today (and wont be able to now till maybe Thursday). But I will post a dyno sheet if I can and give a review of the finished tune soon.
 

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FOLLOW UP to my problems with VMP:

I was contacted about an hour or two after the sales guy asked me what I wanted done (having told him take out what you did and put it back to the Edelbrock provided tune). I was contacted by Chuck the head of sales, he wanted to hear the entire story and fully accepted that they "dropped the ball" he told me where the problem was and did not try and make an excuse for them making a mistake. I can understand mistake happen and his accepting the responsibility actually means a lot to me.

He went over what was done, and we came to an agreement, so they finished tuning the car, and we agreed that I would pay the original quote for Dyno time and tune (650$). I am agreeable to this as it is what I was quoted originally (yes mistakes were made but life is not perfect). I dont really care about the 10 days time, its not a daily driver, and he agreed that they should have communicated.

So in the end I am OK with the outcome and I am happy with management at VMP for stepping up and rectifying the problems, accepting responsibility and doing something to make it right.

I was told that the car put out 463 to the wheels(which is great as my requested was about 450), I was not able to get the car today (and wont be able to now till maybe Thursday). But I will post a dyno sheet if I can and give a review of the finished tune soon.
Glad to hear this worked out, hope you enjoy it once you get it.

I had to have 2 different tuners work on mine and ultimately it got were I wanted it and am super happy. I was headed to Lito, if the 2nd guy had not gotten it right. And I was straight up with Lito and he still offered me advice, knowing that he might not get the business.
 

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I picked up the car today, Chuck (head of sales) was there to talk to me and try to smooth over the screw up. note he did not really need to do this it was already done by them on the phone before. I was informed that the sales guy I was working with was 'no longer with the comapny', at first I felt bad, but I was informed that he was just not a good fit for the company, and they had some issues before. So maybe my experience was just bad luck.

Moving on, car starts and drives like stock if you want it to - which is good, the throttle is very linear (I had an SCT tune in it before and I hated how they had 75% of the throttle in the first 1/2 of the travel).

Shift are nice and crisp - this was a problem with the Edelbrock boxed tune that came with stage 2 (way soft).

I only drove it home (about 40 miles on the highway) and to lunch, but the couple times I gave it the sauce it felt good. I did drive it a little today when it was cold and it has a stumble at low throttle when cold - I will call them about this.Mustang Dyno sheet after VMP Tune with SC.jpg
 

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Damn man, that thing is looking real healthy!
Congrats on getting everything sorted and having a well tuned ride!

400rwtq from 4k to 6k jeeeez, that's a kick in the pants I bet it's a beast!
 

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