New 900 hp electric mustang.

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1000lbs of torque along with the torque multiplication of the transmission and the differential sounds insane.

I just wonder how much power will end up costing once gasoline cars are gone.
Corporations and governments need their money and they will get it one way or another.
 

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Ima chalk this up to don't give a shit. Car looks nice. Other than that. Don't care. Ford is just trying to say "Look! We can do electric!"

Electric cars have their place in the market. In the Mustang is not it.
 

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Ima chalk this up to don't give a shit. Car looks nice. Other than that. Don't care. Ford is just trying to say "Look! We can do electric!"

Electric cars have their place in the market. In the Mustang is not it.
I with you to a point, I have no interest either, does not have it's place in the US but you can bet they'll be pushing it overseas.
 

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My greatest dislike of electric cars that are currently on the market is that they are all automatic transmissions. Why? Because I love shifting gears and having to use the clutch and accelerator pedals. Having to do so is part of the driving experience that I was taught, and without that part, you're just getting from point A to point B. Automatic transmissions are boring, and paddle shifters aren't the same.

Here, Ford has given us an option worthy of the Mustang badge.

Is it what you're used to, no. But don't turn your nose up at it as an option for what will be available to us in the future. Gasoline engines are on the way out. And when they're gone, do you want the car manufacturers to simply offer you a vehicle that looks like a Prius, or a Volt, or a Leaf?

Hell no you don't! That's why you bought a Mustang in the first place!

You wanted a muscle car!

What is an electric car with 900 hp with 1,000 lb-ft of torque...

A MUSCLE CAR YOU'LL NEVER HEAR COMING! HA!

But it's still a muscle car.

Do I love the sound of the gasoline powered V8 engine in my Mustang GT, absolutely!

Would I give up the sound to help save the planet? Yes.

Do I want a car that looks like a Prius, or a Volt, or a Leaf? Hell no I don't!

What worries me is the thought of how much an electric muscle car will cost.

A 2020 Toyota Prius Prime costs $27,750.
My 2008 Mustang GT cost $28,000. (300 hp, 320 ft/lbs torque)
A 2019 Nissan Leaf costs $29, 990.
A 2019 Tesla Model 3 costs $33,315.
A 2020 Chevy Volt costs $33,520.
A 2020 Ford Fusion Plug-in Hybrid costs $35,000.
A 2020 Chevy Bolt EV costs $36,620.
The 2020 Mustang GT with similar features as my '08 costs $39,630. (460 hp, 420 ft/lbs torque)

At the far end of the spectrum...
A 2019 Porsche Taycan 4S costs $103,800.00. (562 hp, 479 ft/lbs torque)
A 202? Ford Mustang Lithium costs....$???,??? (900 hp, 1,000 ft/lbs of torque)
A 2020 Tesla Roadster is in the $200,000 neighborhood. (7,375.62 ft/lbs torque)

So, if in the future Ford can give us a non-supercar spec (but healthy muscle car spec ~500hp), manual transmission, maybe selectible 2WD/4WD, all electric Mustang GTE, that is less than $40,000, I'm all in!

But maybe not until my 2008 GT kicks the bucket or they stop making gas for it, but certainly when the only other option is a frackin' Prius! ;)
 

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Ima chalk this up to don't give a shit. Car looks nice. Other than that. Don't care. Ford is just trying to say "Look! We can do electric!"

Electric cars have their place in the market. In the Mustang is not it.
Actually Ford didn't do the car. It was built by Webasto with MRT for SEMA show to demonstrate Webasto's batteries etc.

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I with you to a point, I have no interest either, does not have it's place in the US but you can bet they'll be pushing it overseas.

It may well be superb for 15-20 min road courses..... except for perhaps differential heat issues.

That guy with his Tesla at the dragstrip is a hoot. He gives the 707 hp hell cat, a huge head start..... then he proceeds to eat their lunch. Low 7's is superb.
 

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It may well be superb for 15-20 min road courses..... except for perhaps differential heat issues.

That guy with his Tesla at the dragstrip is a hoot. He gives the 707 hp hell cat, a huge head start..... then he proceeds to eat their lunch. Low 7's is superb.
Saw some other videos of him before, he's done that to quite a number of high hp cars, think it was Z06 Vette and Lambo, made em both look ridiculous. Is pretty amazing what those things do. Gets off the line very fast but they were running him down near the finish. Would like to see one on a road course.

Now this is the best electric Mustang I've ever seen 900hp Was on the show Iron Resurrection...
 

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I can see the future arguments of my kids and grandkids.

"...bullshit he was running dual capacitors!"
"well it's a capacitor only car on a drag radial!"
"yea right, he's running aftermarket MOS FETS!"
 

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It gets better. Electric motors at all 4 x corners, and no tranny at all. Drag radials on all 4 x corners. ECU monitors wheel spin. All 4 x corners 'talk' to each other..... = zero wheel spin. Ultimate
drag car.
 

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My greatest dislike of electric cars that are currently on the market is that they are all automatic transmissions. Why? Because I love shifting gears and having to use the clutch and accelerator pedals. Having to do so is part of the driving experience that I was taught, and without that part, you're just getting from point A to point B. Automatic transmissions are boring, and paddle shifters aren't the same.

Here, Ford has given us an option worthy of the Mustang badge.

Is it what you're used to, no. But don't turn your nose up at it as an option for what will be available to us in the future. Gasoline engines are on the way out. And when they're gone, do you want the car manufacturers to simply offer you a vehicle that looks like a Prius, or a Volt, or a Leaf?

Hell no you don't! That's why you bought a Mustang in the first place!

You wanted a muscle car!

What is an electric car with 900 hp with 1,000 lb-ft of torque...

A MUSCLE CAR YOU'LL NEVER HEAR COMING! HA!

But it's still a muscle car.

Do I love the sound of the gasoline powered V8 engine in my Mustang GT, absolutely!

Would I give up the sound to help save the planet? Yes.

Do I want a car that looks like a Prius, or a Volt, or a Leaf? Hell no I don't!

What worries me is the thought of how much an electric muscle car will cost.

A 2020 Toyota Prius Prime costs $27,750.
My 2008 Mustang GT cost $28,000. (300 hp, 320 ft/lbs torque)
A 2019 Nissan Leaf costs $29, 990.
A 2019 Tesla Model 3 costs $33,315.
A 2020 Chevy Volt costs $33,520.
A 2020 Ford Fusion Plug-in Hybrid costs $35,000.
A 2020 Chevy Bolt EV costs $36,620.
The 2020 Mustang GT with similar features as my '08 costs $39,630. (460 hp, 420 ft/lbs torque)

At the far end of the spectrum...
A 2019 Porsche Taycan 4S costs $103,800.00. (562 hp, 479 ft/lbs torque)
A 202? Ford Mustang Lithium costs....$???,??? (900 hp, 1,000 ft/lbs of torque)
A 2020 Tesla Roadster is in the $200,000 neighborhood. (7,375.62 ft/lbs torque)

So, if in the future Ford can give us a non-supercar spec (but healthy muscle car spec ~500hp), manual transmission, maybe selectible 2WD/4WD, all electric Mustang GTE, that is less than $40,000, I'm all in!

But maybe not until my 2008 GT kicks the bucket or they stop making gas for it, but certainly when the only other option is a frackin' Prius! ;)

## VW announced they will mass produce 100% electric cars.....and sell em for well < $30K

Gasoline prices....outside the USA are insane.
Give it another 2-5 years, and the tech advancements will be astounding. Volvo announced it won't be making any more gas engs. The writing is on the wall.

Electric motors, running on 800 Vdc will last forever... except for the bearings... which can be replaced. Batteries are the stumbling block.

Electric grid will be grossly overloaded. We only have 1 x 50 kva xmfr to feed 9 homes. And we all have...'200A' service. A 50 kva xfmr is only good for 200A. Each home has 2 cars.

18 x cars, each sucking 7 kw all night long = 126 kw. You would have to triple the capacity...dead in the water right there.

With the massive loss in tax revenue from gasoline, electric car owners will end up paying an annual fee.

Takes 20 lbs of used lithium to make 1 lb of good/new lithium. Hence a recycling issue.
 

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The manufacturers will have no problem engineering failure points in electric motors as they will need to in order to stay in business.
General Motors will lead the way with that initiative.
 

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The bearings and carbon brushes in electric motors do eventually wear out anyway so they'd either need rebuilding or replacing at some point. The battery packs have a limited lifespan (10 years?) and are enormously expensive to replace, so car manufacturers don't need to engineer additional failure points into the cars.
I plan on keeping my '06 GT forever so when the time comes to say goodbye to my V8, I'll swap in an electric motor with battery pack. By then I'm sure that the aftermarket will already be offering electric motor/battery pack kits to retrofit into older Mustangs so we can keep ours going for a few more years.
 

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The bearings and carbon brushes in electric motors do eventually wear out anyway so they'd either need rebuilding or replacing at some point. The battery packs have a limited lifespan (10 years?) and are enormously expensive to replace, so car manufacturers don't need to engineer additional failure points into the cars.
I plan on keeping my '06 GT forever so when the time comes to say goodbye to my V8, I'll swap in an electric motor with battery pack. By then I'm sure that the aftermarket will already be offering electric motor/battery pack kits to retrofit into older Mustangs so we can keep ours going for a few more years.

They solved the brushed motor issue in RC cars, everything is brushless now which require no maintenance. Only thing that goes wrong is you can overheat the motor and the bearings are really the only point of failure. I'm not sure if the motors they use now in cars are brushless, but don't see why they wouldn't go there.
 
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Eventually there will be breakthroughs in battery storage and/or recharging duration's. The stumbling block for most people right now, IMO, is primarily range and how long it takes to charge. And also some unfamiliarity with the technology.

The range issue is largely a matter of perception, not reality. The average American drives just under 13,500 miles a year. Personally I am over that a little bit at roughly 16,000 per year. A little over 12,000 of those miles are strictly get to work/get home miles for me. Almost exactly a 52 mile/day commute. Could I use an electric car for most of my driving? Absolutely. If I had, say a Tesla 3 with 240 miles range I could charge up once every 3 or 4 days. Why don't I? Simple. It's cost. Electric cars are expensive. Even if you factor in the true total cost of owning an electric car v gasoline car, the electric car is more expensive. As cost continues to come down, the equation will change.

Charge time is real. But inroads are being made. Just the other day I read that a school in PA was able to develop a way to add 200 miles range to a battery is 10 minutes. That's 4-ish hours of drive time in 10 minutes. If it is a practical method of charging it could change to game. It woudl blow the long trip argument out of the water. Say you're going on an 8 hour drive, you know you will stop at least once for a pee break, maybe get some food, maybe to stretch or see something. Charge during that and the long range issue is no longer an issue.

So yeah the writing is on the wall, but for now the wall is still a ways down the road. There will come a point where parity is made. For awhile it will be personal choice gas v electric. Then the pendulum will swing against gas and they will fade away until they are antiques and memories. And that may not happen even in my lifetime.
 

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I dont give a shit as i will be dead long before this shit happens. The Tesla above got his ass handed to him on the show Fastest Car.
 

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The Tesla is a fast car, if not a bit pretentious and soulless. that said I believe that Tesla that was originally on YT beating every car in the 1/4 mile was highly modified...as was the Tesla that just set a record around the Gring or Ring or whatever that German stretch of road is called that everyone wets their pants over. Anyway, the manual electric Mustang is fine by me but I’m never giving up my ’08 Bullitt. I’m not racing so to me the numbers regardless of how impressive take a back seat to driver experience.
 

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