Road America July 4-5 2020 with Northwoods Shelby

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Had a great 4th of July weekend with Northwoods Shelby Club at Road America. Temps were hot at 92* and so were the drivers and cars. Even with the high temps I had one of my best track weekends. A couple sessions were shortened due to black flags, 3 wrecked cars, but all drivers were ok! Met some new friends , had great cookout and fireworks Saturday night with over 10,000 spectators. Was lots of people camping at the track all weekend and the go karts were running as well so the place was very busy.

I was very impressed with the Firestone Indy 500 tires. They had awesome grip even on a hot slick track and held up very well. I did however warp a right front rotor on Sunday am and struggled with it all the later sessions.

I was having technical difficulties with cameras and Track Addict app on my phone for the first time. Couple sessions I got data but no video, and phone video I got is shaky even though I had stabilization on. I now need to figure out how to post it. I did record a few sessions with my go pro so I'll start with those. My fastest lap time was 2:56 and most laps were between that and 3:02 depending on traffic. I believe I was one of the 5 fastest cars in my group of about 50 cars. Data shows 123.4 mph top speed between turn 3 and 5, 1.19 left g, 0.99 right g start finish line 115.9 mph start, 116.3 mph finish.

Here is Saturday session 1 I'll post more vids and some photos as I get em uploaded.

 

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Sunday Session 1, one of my best sessions of the weekend, ran my fastest laps this session.

 

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Here are a couple pics to show tire wear on the Firestone Indy 500s after 8 sessions at Road America. I thought they performed and held up very well on a hot slick track.
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Nice! Have you driven them in the rain at all? I’ll never buy Nittos again, they simply suck when it’s wet. I’ve been thinking about buying those tires, heard a lot of good things.


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Have not run them in wet yet. So far I'm very happy with them. For the price I'd say they are hard to beat.
 

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Here are a couple pics to show tire wear on the Firestone Indy 500s after 8 sessions at Road America. I thought they performed and held up very well on a hot slick track.
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After seeing how well the Indy 500's wear and perform on your car, I'm extremely glad I bought them for my car :waytogo:

Nice! Have you driven them in the rain at all? I’ll never buy Nittos again, they simply suck when it’s wet. I’ve been thinking about buying those tires, heard a lot of good things.


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I definitely agree how bad the Nittos suck when it's wet. IMO, they also suck in the dry as well until you get them heated up. As for the Indy 500's? I haven't had the opportunity to drive them in the rain just yet, however, the difference between them and the Nittos are night and day, as the Firestone's hook really well and are difficult to break loose when doing pulls. All in all, I've been very pleased with the Firestone Indy 500's and for the price, you just can't go wrong IMHO :waytogo:
 

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I definitely am wanting to try the Firestone's after hearing all the good reviews from you guys... I bought the Nitto G2's a few months back and they aren't all that I expected.

Well Nitto is generally pretty bad at making tires, but Firestone Indy 500 aren't much better. I have purchased some of these in the past, but only because 1) they are VERY cheap and 2) they work well enough for a daily driver.

As a track tire, these Firestones are way back behind the mid-pack 200 TW options such as RE-71R, A052, Rival-S, AD08R, RT660, 615K+, and another dozen other street tire choices I can point to.

I hate to keep pointing this out but I feel it is necessary with the copious "opinion posts" he shares. JJ is rolling around on track considerably slower than Spec Miata. He pushes some very questionable parts, and has no positive track results to back up his more unusual claims (the 2 second lap time drop from the magical "Matrix Brace" for instance).

As we all know - you need to look at the results (like lap times) of anyone who is giving advice on a anything important (like tires, suspension, or other track related parts). Just how you don't listen to your crazy uncle about medical advice - you ask your doctor who is trained in the subject. Likewise, you don't ask the guy stuck in "green group" HPDE for years about advice on brake pads, tires, or suspension - right?

Just use your common sense. Look at lap times before you invest heavily in someone's opinion about anything, myself included. Stay skeptical my friends.
 

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Just use your common sense. Look at lap times before you invest heavily in someone's opinion about anything, myself included. Stay skeptical my friends.

Terry, you've made quite a lot of fun about my driving ability and claiming how I'm so slow on track, and you also stated previously that you do instructing and coaching, so here is a little eye opener for you.

As I've stated before I've attended BIR's Performance Driving School many times since 2012 and I truly believe they are one of the finest driving schools in the country, with some of the best instructors in the US as well. One of the very first things they teach you in the classroom instruction is it is possible to get killed at 12mph! That may sound funny, but as Gary Curtis owner/instructor there explains, "if you think 12 mph is nothing, get on a bicycle and run into that brick wall at that speed and tell me how it feels".

Related to this I had a snowmobile accident in 1993 where I was thrown off my snowmobile into a 3ft tree stump at between 20-30 mph.
I hit head first and compressed two vertebra in my back which has left me Paralyzed from the chest down. Broke my helmet in half, but I only had a mild concussion for head injury. MN State Patrol kept my helmet to use for seminars. Proves helmets do work!!!
I now have steel rods that run the length of my spine. I also broke my left shoulder, both clavicle and scapula, broke my right hip and have a pin and plate in my hip. Also broke 7 ribs, punctured both lungs, spent almost 5 months in the hospital recovering, and almost 2 years of in home rehab. And yes I do set off metal detectors!

So next time you go out on track and complain about someone running too slow, or make jokes on the forums about how slow spec Miata's are, try to think about this! You take your life in your hands every time you go on track, regardless how fast you go!
 

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We know racing is dangerous. Its part of the allure. It's also why those who have raced and won have earned their bragging rights. Because most never win anything.

Plus everyone feels bad about your injury. I'm sure it sucks and there were some really dark days/months, maybe longer. But you're missing the point. Its not that you're slow. If you are having fun and going as fast as you feel comfortable, than good for you.

The problem is that you keep acting like you are some professional level test driver who can feel the difference in a brace or tires. But the truth is, you are not going fast enough to evaluate anything. You are not at the limit of the car or tires.

It would be like some 15 year old virgin giving out "expert" sex advice and Ron Jeremy saying "shut up kid, you don't know what you're talking about."
 

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I'm not acting like I'm a pro driver at all, nor am I posting anything of the sort. If you actually read my post, all I posted was I had a great time at RA over the 4th, I ran some good laps (for my level) and said I thought the tires worked well for me for the first time I ever tried them, that is it. Wasn't bragging about any record lap times, never said I thought these were the best tires ever or anything of the sort. Have at it all you want, I'm just a guy out having fun and sharing it, I'm not looking for approval from anyone, nor am I pushing or selling anything to anyone.

So you and Fair can go back to your swinging dick contest now....
 
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[...]I'm just a guy out having fun and sharing it, I'm not looking for approval from anyone, nor am I pushing or selling anything to anyone [...]

I must have missed the part where you explained why you are here at all, posting and posting, with no apparent value to anyone other than yourself.

You are pushing and selling, and asking for approval of, your opinions, which as has been pointed out to you, are not based on any particular qualifications or expertise.
 

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I must have missed the part where you explained why you are here at all, posting and posting, with no apparent value to anyone other than yourself.

You are pushing and selling, and asking for approval of, your opinions, which as has been pointed out to you, are not based on any particular qualifications or expertise.
I'm just posting it to share a HPDE track day, to hopefully entice others to do the same and get out and enjoy yourself on a track legally, and to show you don't need a full blown race car to do it. Is there something bad about doing that? I would hope every track guy would do that and share their experiences and videos! After all isn't that what HPDE days are supposed to be about?

Just because I'm not a professional driver I'm not supposed to share my experiences or give an opinion? You guys sound like track NAZI's!!!
Look at my post, I asked for nothing, and I wasn't pushing anything other than having a great time at a track on the 4th of July with lots of other fun track people, if you guys really though I said more that than that then I apologize to all as that is and was not my intent at all.

Some guys including myself had recently spoken about the Firestone tires on another thread, just showed my video on track so decide to show a little about the tires as this was the first time I had tried them and that is it. I didn't say these are the best damn tires in the world and everyone should go out and get them immediately or anything like that.
 

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Again, JJ is taking all of this a bit too personally. NOBODY is making light of your injuries, and I never even mention them in my comments about your opinions. I've compressed a vertebrae as well (big off at Road Atlanta) and will have pain for the rest of my life, but being paralyzed must be horrible. I truly feel for you man, and am not trying to equate my injury with yours, just that I have been injured on track and DO NOT take my safety lightly. Not at all, and I don't know how or why you went off on that tangent???

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As others have said, this "pushback" we give every time you post unusual opinions isn't about your handicap. I do know of several paralyzed drivers that are fast with hand controls, up to the Pro level. It is truly amazing what some of them can do. Yet as soon as anyone asks for your lap times or questions your judgement, you go right to playing "the card". Again, if I was in your situation I might do the same thing. It is a life altering injury that I cannot even fathom having to deal with.

A little self deprecation following your opinions such as "but hey, I'm slow" and we would let it all slide. But you don't, you get SUPER DEFENSIVE and start name calling and making these tired ad hominem personal attacks.

It is not "fun" for me to point out these failings in lap times every time you post your copious opinions. I look like a jerk, like I'm picking on you, but I'm not. And if you remember, you're the one in this back and forth who has threatened to "knock my teeth out" and other violent acts. I'm hoping someday you can look in the mirror, see what we are pointing out (results), and maybe decide to post less about track related upgrades. It is not helping this community when you clutter up posts with reviews of somewhat useless products (Matrix Brace) and less of your fan worship of parts designers with rambling, aimless videos (Kenny Brown) that have almost no relevance to today. We do the same thing with the Steeda fanboys who brag about how many HPDE wins and "championships" Steeda drivers have in 1 car classes.

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My point - and the point of several others here - is that you JJ post a LOT of opinions in this Corner Carvers sub-forum about: track worthy mods, about your testing, tire choices, and honestly your lap times are so slow as to render those opinions almost meaningless.

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You choose to use skinny 20" diameter tires when many have stated this is the wrong diameter (and width) wheel to get the best performance from on track. No, your car does not HAVE to use 20" wheels, it is just what it came with for style reasons. Also, your supercharged car "never overheats" on track because you are just not going fast enough for that to happen. And your tire choices - you don't use 1st tier, or even 2nd tier 200TW tires, you are using 3rd tier brands like this Firestone. What a strange hill to die on. The tire choices you seem to pick are baffling, and I want to make sure others don't try to go down the same rabbit hole that you seem to be chasing. Using skinny 255mm wide 20" diameter Firestone tires on track is an enormous waste of time and money with a 3700+ pound car, if people are looking for performance, lap time drops, etc.

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I am here to give honest opinions about tires (which I don't and never will sell), as we have a LOT of track time and testing over 30+ years with hundreds of sets of tires in various compounds, widths, and diameters on the pony cars that are being discussed here. Having tested multiple sets of tires on S197s back to back to back, with instrumented, logged data, I can give some opinions that might actually have some usefulness. Having set 25+ track records in NASA, GTA, SCCA TT, and other competitions, the speed at which I am driving is not in question. We have hundreds of data overlaid track videos to show what and how we are testing, to back up these claims.

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But unlike your accusations, I'm not here to "measure my johnson", and don't really care if you like my writing style, dislike the fact that I am pointing out questionable data, or even the fact that I am calling out people for dismal lap times. I am secure in my "manhood", and you keep resorting to these strange insults and debate fails. And you are NOT the only person who's opinion we question on a daily basis. I do this to a LOT of people. I know you avoid the social media pages; last time I checked I'm on 380+ motorsports pages, and daily I poke holes in a lot of dodgy theories, cast doubt on dubious claims, and ask for lap times from a lot of similar people who are giving questionable opinions - most of whom are really just looking for AFFIRMATION on their choices. THIS IS THE BASIS FOR 90% OR MORE OF ALL INTERNET POSTS

So we are not just "picking on JJ" and this has nothing to do with his handicap, not whatsoever. Just results, or the lack thereof. We are always open to new data, but when it is wildly different than 3 decades of results have shown us, we WILL ask for lap times, videos, and results. Every single time.

Cheers,
 
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to all, this is a tech section, lets stay on the topic and leave the personal stuff out of it all please.
 

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Using skinny 255mm wide 20" diameter Firestone tires on track is an enormous waste of time and money with a 3700+ pound car, if people are looking for performance, lap time drops, etc.
My tires are 275, not 255. And the tires do work well for a HPDE Day car that is driven to the track. I out braked and out cornered just about every car in my run group of 50 cars, that is good enough for me. I'm not out setting any records nor am I claiming to be. Watch my video, a lot of slower cars on track than me, and all having a lot of fun. Too bad your too narrow minded to get that.

Once again if you even read my post I wasn't pushing anything, just posting a good time at a HPDE track day weekend, which you seem to continue to want to compare to racing. I'm not playing "the card" as you continue to keep saying I do, I'm just making a point you don't need to be going 150 mph to get hurt or killed. I don't really give a shit what you say, I drive on track with and meet many other drivers who all compliment me, as well as instructors I've worked with, don't need any approval from you. If you don't like my thread's stay off em' it's as simple as that.
 

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