Will there will be a run on S197 cars shortly?

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I'm glad I don't have a 5.0 with its spray bores and beer can joe biden exhaust valves, blow away like burned paper bag in the wind
 

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I read someplace once that the guy responsible for the 71-73 design came from GM And that influenced several elements of the car. One of which was supposedly the wipers being hidden.

The designer was Larry Shinoda who was hired in 1968 by then Ford President Buckie Knudsen who also came over from GM. Shinoda was also the chief designer for the 69-70 Boss 302. When Knudsen was fired in late 69 by Henry Ford II, Shinoda also left Ford as well.


Coyote was developed in 2 years, so not option C.

I'd say a little of option A mixed with some of option B mixed with a helping of we're selling more of these than we can make. $$$

Nobody called the Mustang with 300 hp in 2005 MEH. It was welcomed with open arms. We always want more. Than as now. But on the whole we loved having 300 hp from the factory. Then came the Coyote...

No matter how fast somebody's car is over someone else's? There's always going to be someone who has a car that's faster than yours, whether it's 300 HP 400 HP 500 HP or whatever, the cycle never ends.
 
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The designer was Larry Shinoda who was hired in 1968 by then Ford President Buckie Knudsen who also came over from GM. Shinoda was also the chief designer for the 69-70 Boss 302. When Knudsen was fired in late 69 by Henry Ford II, Shinoda also left Ford as well.




No matter how fast somebody's car is over someone else's? There's always going to be someone who has a faster car than yours, whether it's 300 HP 400 HP 500 HP or whatever, the cycle never ends.
Its not cubic inches
Its cubic dollars!
 

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The original boss 302 engine is probably my favorite of all time. It's a timeless work of art.
 

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Someone's in a joyful mood. ;)

1. They won't be in power for 12 years.

We Hope!!

2. V8s have been around for a century so I don't think politicians will ban them. Hell, they would have to also ban V10s & V12s. If they did that Aston Martin, Maserati, Ferrari, and Lamborghini would instantly go out of business. Stricter targets for CO2 emissions (and consequently gas mileage since the two are related) are more likely, thus it would be left to car manufacturers to decide how to meet them.

3. Limits on HP are pretty unlikely but a limit on engine displacement would be a more realistic proposition. Car manufacturers are already reverting to smaller turbo engines and hybrids instead of bigger naturally-aspirated engines in order to reduce CO2 emissions.

Look back Late 60's and early 70's dealers were stuffing the biggest engines in the smallest cars which was followed by the Gov. putting restrictions on the industry due to the fake oil shortage so we got the 55mph speed limits, 150hp Corvettes and the Mustang 2 and a bunch of nothing square boxes. So yes the Gov. can put the squeeze on the Auto Industry, that is why EV's came in to existence, to bring up the average mpg. for the Manufacturer.
I always say if it's Green some body is making a lot of money on it at our expense through the Gov.
 

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Will there will be a run on S197 cars shortly?
... I think since they are the last of the breed the S197 cars will be a lot more coveted.

It's an interesting question and it's similar to another I've been considering.

While attending car shows or cruise-ins, it's been my experience that the majority of car owners are members of the Baby Boom generation, and to some degree, early Gen Xers.

What happens when the baby boomer and Gen Xer generations fade away?

It could be assumed that many of those cars will be gifted to family members generations below.
Some of the recipients will keep the cars because of genuine love for the car type.
Others may keep them only because of sentimental value.
Finally, some may liquidate them for the quick cash.

An object has value when a portion of a population agrees that it does.
Depending on supply and demand, those values may rise or fall.

Collectively, younger generations don't appear to place the same worth on cars as previous generations and they don't seem to care about acquiring drivers licenses either.
They're generally not interested in any car, let alone a great collector car.
Hell, they're excited about the possibility of self driven cars so they can continue to entertain themselves with their electronics.

Muscle Cars and Hot Rods have enjoyed decades of escalating value, but will they have escalating value LONG TERM?
Is it possible that dwindling demand will dictate a loss of value?
Will the S197's suffer the same long term devaluation?

I purchased my 2010 Mustang GT last fall.
It was purchased with 24,540 miles on the clock and paid just over $19,000 for it.
After considering other options at the same price point, I concluded that no other car would give me the same joy as the Mustang.
With excitement, it was purchased as a daily driver.

After a week or two of driving it, the decision was made to crown her garage queen.
My '06 F-150 is now my daily driver.

The decision was made for the long term, not as an investment, but as preservation.
If I'm able to log the same annual milage as the p.o., at 20 years of age the car would have less than 50,000 miles.
In our current environment, the cars value could rise presenting an opportunity to generate a small profit.
On the other hand, that 3 valve exhaust sounds great and why the hell would I keep it muffled just for the sake of preservation?
This car is designed to give pleasure and who am I to not accept it for it's designed purpose?

Either way, I'm glad I finally have one!
She's been a long time coming.
 

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Collectively, younger generations don't appear to place the same worth on cars as previous generations and they don't seem to care about acquiring drivers licenses either.
They're generally not interested in any car, let alone a great collector car.
Hell, they're excited about the possibility of self driven cars so they can continue to entertain themselves with their electronics.

What I will add to this is the younger generation at least in my experience also wants to live in cities. No point in owning a car in a city, especially one like Chicago where a designated parking spot can be a few hundred bucks a month. You can rideshare, or take public transportation everywhere. This typically happens after college and then when they get out of the city living phase if they need a car they just need something reliable to get them from a to b or they have gotten married and started popping out kids.
 

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If they ever bring back photo radar, the mustang goes up for sale the next day.
 

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I'm astonished a GPS enabled EEC dongle isn't a legal requirement to get insurance. Monitors speed, braking, location, etc...
 

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I'm astonished a GPS enabled EEC dongle isn't a legal requirement to get insurance. Monitors speed, braking, location, etc...

The second my insurance company asks me to have something plugged into my car is the moment I’m changing insurance companies. The last damn thing I need is another company monitoring me.
 

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as soon as self driving comes on line insurance for self driving cars will get very cheap and insurance for drive your own vehicles will be unaffordable.
 

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The second my insurance company asks me to have something plugged into my car is the moment I’m changing insurance companies. The last damn thing I need is another company monitoring me.

That's the day I stop driving anything new enough to have ODB-2.

A couple years ago one of them was offering "driver discounts" if you ran their monitoring "doggle". Allstate I think. Don't hear much about that anymore.
 

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The horse people said that cars terrified the horses didn't work well on the road with buggies, and went to quickly and ran over pedestrians. I guess they were right about that last part!!!
 

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My wife has the Allstate doggel in her car. She gets a rebate every few months. I have one in my truck and don’t get a damn thing.
 

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I'm astonished a GPS enabled EEC dongle isn't a legal requirement to get insurance. Monitors speed, braking, location, etc...
There is some invasion of privacy/tracking concern here.
And if you think these cars don't have "black boxes" you are kidding yourself. Granted it is not real time yet, but shit is recorded and saved on many of the onboard computers. SRS and PCM come to mind. The restraint computer recorded everything it could leading up to a crash.

Lost value is part of the reason I don't own anything that would increase in value. I want to drive my cars/bikes. And not cry if something happened to one of my toys.
 
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