Has anyone ever done this??? It's most likely the most difficult swap you can do computer wise as Ford is not happy your doing it. That is, trying to fit the Premium Track App Cluster in a Base GT. If I can believe the Copart pictures, the Track App Cluster can come in both the GT and 6cyl cars with or without Brembo brakes. They can run between $200 and $400 on Ebay with most mileage around 50000 miles. The dealer charges $500 for a new one and you MUST have a core to turn in or another $300 is charge. The Cluster also must be ordered by the VIN. Getting a VIN is not hard as every Mustang on Copart has a picture of the VIN sticker and every Mustang on Copart is totaled.
2013/2014 Base Cluster to Track App Cluster.
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Macman45
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Not sure what Copart has to do with anything. You can order the cluster from Ford new, submit your base as a core and it’ll be programmed to your VIN and mileage
Yes seems simple enough at $500+300 core and hope they take the base for a refund. Then have the dealer program it for what ever they wish to charge. Another simple way seems to just find a 2014 Track App Cluster from a totaled 2014 with the exact same equipment and about the same mileage for about $300 and just redo the Pats. No need to do program asbuilt as it's already in the cluster.
The most complicated way seems to be find a 2013 6Cyl Track App Cluster with 50,000 miles and reprogram it to a 2014 Coyote with 15,000 miles. It seems the cluster itself needs to be programmed and not the ECU.
One story is to start the car with the Base Cluster and when running, plug in the Track Apps Cluster and if the Mustang is the same year and equipment, everything should work. Only that PATS needs to be down.
Someone said he did this with a Boss Cluster to a Base. Everything came up. He just reprogramed the PATS.
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Macman45
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Dealer can only program as-build, mileage has to be done on a virgin cluster and can only go UP, can’t do down. Should be easy enough. Good luck on the swap!
That is why a used cluster out of a like kind car with about the same mileage would be ideal. The Asbuilt is already in the cluster.
Macman45
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Ideally yes. You gotta find same year, options, engine, trans and mileage. And if its UNDER even by a little, that's odometer fraud
Dealer cannot program a track app cluster if your car did not come with it.
You will have to attempt to program it yourself with Forscan. And there is no guarantee it can be done and get it all working without errors/faults as your car did not have track apps.
You cannot roll odometer backwards. Forscan can only ADD to odometer and ONLY on SOME models.
You will have to attempt to program it yourself with Forscan. And there is no guarantee it can be done and get it all working without errors/faults as your car did not have track apps.
You cannot roll odometer backwards. Forscan can only ADD to odometer and ONLY on SOME models.
That is why I am looking at the closest application to my Base as possible. It would be very unusual to find something under 17,000 miles in a Track App Cluster. Then I do not mind a loss of maybe 5000 miles so something in the 21,000 miles would work. It is my understanding any 2014 Track Apps Cluster from a 2014 GT will be plug and play on a Base GT except for the PATS system. Everything else in the cluster is set. The reprograming issue only comes into play with a 6Cyl to a GT swap or from year to year swap.
From what I can understand, the PCM does not know if I have a Base or Track App Cluster. It sends all the signals out and the cluster picks what it needs.
Shit, fotgot about PATS. That ALWAYS needs to be programmed when replacing the cluster. A cluster swap is never "plug & play". Even if replacing stock, ordered from Ford by VIN, and programmed to your car by Ford. You still need to add your keys to the new cluster.
Lots of reports the Track Apps Cluster can be plug and play from a used 2014 GT to another used 2014 GT. The procedure is start the car with the Base Cluster. Unplug the Base and plug in the Track Apps Cluster when the car is still running.
Macman45
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And do that EVERY time???? Or thats a brute force way to program PATS without FORSCAN?
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Exactly, that's a one time test/bypass. You'd have to do it again after you shut down in order to start up again.
Correct.
Let me know how that hot plug new cluster works out.
1st issue: In order for PATS the fuction, a module reset must take place on the PCM. This is so the PCM is paired with the new cluster. I dont see that happening hot plugging it.
2nd issue: the keyS are stored in the cluster. Capital S as there has to be 2 keys programmed to the cluster. How is the replacement cluster going to learn your keyS?
You can hot plug it. Shut off car and I am sure it wont start and have an "immobilizer" fault code.
1st issue: In order for PATS the fuction, a module reset must take place on the PCM. This is so the PCM is paired with the new cluster. I dont see that happening hot plugging it.
2nd issue: the keyS are stored in the cluster. Capital S as there has to be 2 keys programmed to the cluster. How is the replacement cluster going to learn your keyS?
You can hot plug it. Shut off car and I am sure it wont start and have an "immobilizer" fault code.
Sorry, I thought you wanted to a cluster swap, not keep swapping clusters.
I understand the issues as I could not get an extra key for the Mustang even thought I had two working keys. The dealer said there was something in the PCM or Cluster not letting me make a third key. I could get the doors to work but it would not start the car. They offered to make me a third key for 8 hours of labor and I might have to replace the PCM and or the Cluster for that third key.
As I said at first, a Cluster Swap is one of the hardest things you can do when working on a 2014 Mustang.
A seller on Ebay said outright, if the car gets bricks it will cost $2500 to unbrick it.
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Forget about track apps. This is just a Premium Mustang cluster (track apps included). Any 13/14 premium cluster will work although they look slightly different between the years. You can put them in any base 13/14.
Swapping one into your base car is actually rather simple and then you use Forscan to program the PATS. You must have 2 keys to do this but they can be new keys even. I bought one off of FB with slightly higher mileage than my car and just let my car catch up with it. There are places that will adjust the mileage for $80-100. You'll also have to change out the steering wheel switches on the left side. Again, very simple. There are some good youtube videos that cover all this.
Swapping one into your base car is actually rather simple and then you use Forscan to program the PATS. You must have 2 keys to do this but they can be new keys even. I bought one off of FB with slightly higher mileage than my car and just let my car catch up with it. There are places that will adjust the mileage for $80-100. You'll also have to change out the steering wheel switches on the left side. Again, very simple. There are some good youtube videos that cover all this.
The simplest seems to be 2014 to 2014. I have watched several videos on this and the bottom line are the setting of the ABS. It's called an ABS Module and it's really a software pkg. For a base v6 or Coyote hardtop its file number 016A. Brembo Equipped=056E. Track Package =85EE. Boss = 218A. GT500 =0972 plus a few others including convertibles.
Then it seems you might have to say ACD for Manual and ND for Automatic.
What the problem seems be is a change between years of clusters. More so in the 11/12 cars from 13/14 cars. One is the Cruse Control in the 11/12 cars do not want to work unless there are more mods to the wiring.
The dealerships want the VIN to order. Not sure if you give a Boss VIN it comes back as a Boss Cluster with the Boss ABS already set at 218A and the mileage set to my spec. That seems to the most popular swap. That is, a Boss Cluster from a Base Cluster. I already have a Boss VIN and I used it to order a Boss rear sway bar. So the dealer has me registered to a totaled out Boss.
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