WE SHOULDN'T TALK ABOUT NOTHING BUT THE RPM ACT!!!!!

Juice said:

I'm not even sure how this RPM act applies here. We are not turning our street cars into race cars with modding.

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Im sure you race your car, whether it be drag racing, autocross, road racing, or any of the other types of racing out there. The RPM Act doesn't only apply to professionals.

Cars that run on E85 with no cats run cleaner than gasoline cars with cats.......NOx test have proven this. Some test have shown diesels burn cleaner than Gas. Do we ban gas?

I am really curious how far our reps will vouch for our cause. I’m kind of pissed because in 3-4 years I’ll be able to retire from the AF and I was planing to play a lot with my car but not turn it into a dedicated race car. Now I’m not sure of that future.


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https://www.s197forum.com/threads/sema-action-network.138793/

I started this thread but no one seemed to care.

jewc75 said:

Im sure you race your car, whether it be drag racing, autocross, road racing, or any of the other types of racing out there. The RPM Act doesn't only apply to professionals.

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Brain fart on my part.
So the real issue is that owners want to keep driving on the street in their "race" car. And get it smogged with shit deleted.

Juice said:

Brain fart on my part.
So the real issue is that owners want to keep driving on the street in their "race" car. And get it smogged with shit deleted.

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I don’t consider my car a race car but yea it comes with 600 plus horse power. Is about been fair, about allowing citizens to peruse happiness and this hobby brings a lot of it for the government to shot it down with vague/inaccurate statements about emissions others don’t have to follow anyways


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Lets start with something very simple. A catch can. In some states its illegal to have a catch can installed and they can fail your vehicles emissions for having it. Explain how that makes sense.

jewc75 said:

Lets start with something very simple. A catch can. In some states its illegal to have a catch can installed and they can fail your vehicles emissions for having it. Explain how that makes sense.

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Exactly. This law is extremely vague as it is expected with people who writes them with zero knowledge and facts. Is all wishful thinking they based it on.


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I think I better hurry and build my block with the meanest cams and if this happens I’ll say is been rebuild because I broke and now something is not functioning well but I’m broke. It will pass emissions but with a mean chop!!! Lol


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Another issue with this latest crackdown is that a simple code scanner that can erase trouble codes meets the definition of a "defeat device" by their broad definition, so would a sawzall as you can use it to cut off your cats.

RED09GT said:

Another issue with this latest crackdown is that a simple code scanner that can erase trouble codes meets the definition of a "defeat device" by their broad definition, so would a sawzall as you can use it to cut off your cats.

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Which is why we have "permanent codes". Cannot be reaet by a scantool. Must fix issue, than the pcm erases the perm code.

To further elaborate on my point, why I didnt consider the RPM act applicable.
A street car has registration, and is driven on the street.
A race car has no registration, is towed to competition events. This is the group that would suffer the most not being able to modify a street car for racing.

As for modding your street car, it can be done and stay within the law And need to use parts that have been certified emission compliant. I dont care if it is raced, it is not a race car per the rules.

Juice said:

To further elaborate on my point, why I didnt consider the RPM act applicable.
A street car has registration, and is driven on the street.
A race car has no registration, is towed to competition events. This is the group that would suffer the most not being able to modify a street car for racing.

As for modding your street car, it can be done and stay within the law And need to use parts that have been certified emission compliant. I dont care if it is raced, it is not a race car per the rules.

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Youd be wrong. A lot of race cars have registration. My local track has guys running 7's and 8's and then driving home.

jewc75 said:

Youd be wrong. A lot of race cars have registration. My local track has guys running 7's and 8's and then driving home.

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So finish making it a real race car. Lose the tags and tow it like a real racecar. This is exactly what the EPA is fighting. Ppl driving "race" cars on the street.

Juice said:

So finish making it a real race car. Lose the tags and tow it like a real racecar. This is exactly what the EPA is fighting. Ppl driving "race" cars on the street.

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It begs the question why we have to been told what to do with our property? Obey traffic laws for safety shouldn’t be any issue. No freedom to peruse happiness.


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Lets not forget that several track have started having db limits on cars as well. The loud exhaust is not being tolerated anymore in certain locations...

Brainerd Intnl Raceway is located right next to a lake, all the owners of property around that lake have tried to get that track closed down or noise ordinances enforced for years, even though the track was there before many of them were, and I believe that is one of the reasons they have not lit it for night drag racing.

Juice said:

So finish making it a real race car. Lose the tags and tow it like a real racecar. This is exactly what the EPA is fighting. Ppl driving "race" cars on the street.

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Sounds like you are okay with them doing away with the Hot Rod Power Tour and all events like it. Street Car Takeover, nah dont want that. Im not okay being told what to do with my own property, this is why i live surrounded by land and no HOA. I also do not live in the city limits of any city around me. Yes its nice.

The RPM act is about pure race cars built from street cars. It'll do nothing to help street cars that sometimes race.

From https://www.sema.org/epa-news

"The RPM Act is common-sense, bi-partisan legislation to protect Americans' right to convert street vehicles (cars, trucks and motorcycles) into dedicated racecars and the motorsports-parts industry's ability to sell products that enable racers to compete. The bill clarifies that it is legal to make emissions-related changes to a street vehicle for the purpose of converting it into a racecar used exclusively in competition."

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"The RPM Act does not interfere with the EPA's authority to enforce against individuals who illegally install race parts on vehicles driven on public roads and highways and the companies that market such products. Tampering with the emissions system of a motor vehicle used on public roads is a clear violation of the Clean Air Act."

jewc75 said:

Lets start with something very simple. A catch can. In some states its illegal to have a catch can installed and they can fail your vehicles emissions for having it. Explain how that makes sense.

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It depends on whether it's a closed system (air oil separator) that traps oil vapours but allows crankcase gases to enter the intake system, or whether it's an open system (catch can with filter) that allows some crankcase gases to vent into the atmosphere. The latter would make sense as being illegal.

Dino Dino Bambino said:

It depends on whether it's a closed system (air oil separator) that traps oil vapours but allows crankcase gases to enter the intake system, or whether it's an open system (catch can with filter) that allows some crankcase gases to vent into the atmosphere. The latter would make sense as being illegal.

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The problem is that the EPA is very rigid and will see both as an alteration and you will be removing a functioning part of the emissions system, even if you are replacing it with a superior part.

Maybe the solution is fuck-off huge engine covers (mercedes benz style) held on with tamper proof hardware to make it inconvenient for inspectors to poke around.