Will there will be a run on S197 cars shortly?

LikeabossTM said:

I wonder if a section 230 like piece of legislation will be crafted to defang the piranhas. Perhaps alongside a defined compensation fund.

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You can bet the lobbying is fast and furious right now. I don't see them getting protection.

let's just go back to horses

what happened to the horse lobby?

eighty6gt said:

let's just go back to horses

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Lets not. I live in amish country, and horseshit is a real road hazzard. Especially for motorcycles.

You guys are just short sighted. There are horse diapers.

eighty6gt said:

let's just go back to horses

what happened to the horse lobby?

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Horse people are the worst. I have biked on some multi use trails with them. They refuse to help with maintaining the trails, they don't cleanup after themselves, and somehow we are supposed to know how not to spook their horses.

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wait until you meet the ebike people

I think it'll be a year or two, but I believe the demand and price will increase. When I started looking for an S197, the search was much more difficult than I anticipated. Couldn't find a decent S197 within a couple hundred miles. I think they're super unique Mustangs. The first retro design bringing you back to the late 60's. Peppy as all hell for such a small V8. I'd rather have my S197 than a new Coyote.

xxsurvivalism said:

I'd rather have my S197 than a new Coyote.

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How about an S197 Coyote...best of both worlds.

Ford sold 620,005 Mustangs from 2005-2009 (4 years). It took from 2010 until 2016 (7 years) to equal and surpass that number.

In all 10 years of the S197 chassis Ford sold 1,006,975. 693,721 of them were 3V years. I didn't find the breakdown for V8 versus other, but that's still a lot of 3V V8's out there.

phobik05 said:

How about an S197 Coyote...best of both worlds.

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I would do a Coyote swap into an 05-09. Doesn't seem too terribly complicated. I really like the 05-09 body style and interior, especially the GT500's.

xxsurvivalism said:

I would do a Coyote swap into an 05-09. Doesn't seem too terribly complicated. I really like the 05-09 body style and interior, especially the GT500's.

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How difficult the swap will be depends on what route you decide. Control pack is the easiest route. vs Repinning the factory 05-09 harness and using 11-14 oem parts and making it smog legal is the hardest.
Gen1 coyote pcm works with the 05-09 cluster, guages will work. Gen 2 and 3, stock cluster wont work.

In looking for a Track Apps Cluster, I found a lot of Coyote engines with 100,000 miles for around $4500. The most dangerous time for a Coyote seems to be between 50,000 to 100,000 miles.

eighty6gt said:

You can't get a fox body where I'm from any more for less than 5 figures that isn't full of holes. The S197 is almost the same car

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Absolutely not almost the same car.

Will there be a run on them? The 13-14 cars are holding their value quite well. The 11-12 cars are quite desirable now as well. Check Carmax, etc. They buy as many as they can get. The common reasoning seems to be that the 11-14 GT is overall a superior car than the 15-17 GT and that the 18-20 GT is way overpriced. A new 21 GT is out of the question for many as the price is outrageously high. So, yes. The run has begun.

phobik05 said:

Absolutely not almost the same car.

Will there be a run on them? The 13-14 cars are holding their value quite well. The 11-12 cars are quite desirable now as well. Check Carmax, etc. They buy as many as they can get. The common reasoning seems to be that the 11-14 GT is overall a superior car than the 15-17 GT and that the 18-20 GT is way overpriced. A new 21 GT is out of the question for many as the price is outrageously high. So, yes. The run has begun.

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you think prices will come back down in the fall?

phobik05 said:

Absolutely not almost the same car.

Will there be a run on them? The 13-14 cars are holding their value quite well. The 11-12 cars are quite desirable now as well. Check Carmax, etc. They buy as many as they can get. The common reasoning seems to be that the 11-14 GT is overall a superior car than the 15-17 GT and that the 18-20 GT is way overpriced. A new 21 GT is out of the question for many as the price is outrageously high. So, yes. The run has begun.

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I agree with everything posted, except for the 11-14 GT car as being overall a superior car over the S550 15-17 GT. IMO, the 15-17 GT models are far superior over the previous gen S197 11-14 GT models in everyway.

I was actually going to say the same thing but didn’t want to start a war. I think it’s more than what you said. They’re cheaper to own than an s550 and are on par with similar mods.


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The S550 chassis platform, interior, front/rear suspension and IRS technology are light years ahead compared to the previous 2005-14 S197 generation. However, the current S550 models are also much more expensive and significantly far more refined over the previous gen 2005-14 S197 models as well.

06 T-RED S/C GT said:

I agree with everything posted, except for the 11-14 GT car as being overall a superior car over the S550 15-17 GT. IMO, the 15-17 GT models are far superior over the previous gen S197 11-14 GT models in everyway.

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The S550 is absolutely a superior car. I'll argue the S197 (at least when packing over 400 HP) is a superior driving experience. I want my Mustang to be a blatantly different experience to my other cars and in some ways, that difference comes from an inferiority. My wife's Audi is almost as fast as my Mustang and is technically superior in pretty much every way. I don't think many of us would call that car "fun to drive" though. The S550 is the point in the Mustang timeline where the driving experience gap between it and a "normal" car became too narrow for my liking.

With the arrival of the S550 the Mustang transformed into a true sports car from a rough and tumble street fighting muscle car. Which is not a bad thing. It's just a point where the car had a major change in focus.

06 T-RED S/C GT said:

The S550 chassis platform, interior, front/rear suspension and IRS technology are light years ahead compared to the previous 2005-14 S197 generation. However, the current S550 models are also much more expensive and significantly far more refined over the previous gen 2005-14 S197 models as well.

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Superior - yes, but not necessarily by "light years". "Light years" relative to the Fox chassis, perhaps.

IRS is only superior when it is superior on its own merit, not "IRS has to be better simply because it's IRS". The S550's integral-link rear suspension still wheel-hops fairly easily, and the differential fluid is particularly susceptible to overheating in sustained hard driving unless efforts are taken to improve heat rejection from the differential housing.


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