S197 Coyote prices?

David M Miranda

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I could be wrong but it seems like last year a clean 13/14 went for 15-20k now they are going for 20-25k I was hoping it was due to tax season/stimmy checks and maybe the new car shortage and possibly values will drop a by a few thousand by the end of the year but that will depend on factors such as inflation and if the stimmy monies run out and new car production recovers but idk. looking for other perspectives
Plus the 13/14 is not a good looking car. Not sure why they would change it like that!
 

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It was 35K starting for the premium, 40K for a fully loaded one, the base model msrp was 30K, I bought mine for 29K new in 2013, base model GT. I don't know the prices but I wouldn't pay 20K for a 10 year old car when I can buy a new one for 36K, yes the new base models are 36K, the dealers typically stock more premium models than base models due to the higher profit margins.
$16000 is a big difference to spend? Not like you are comparing a 2000 difference
 

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The MT 82 Tranny that comes with the Coyote is Chinese Junk! Ford should never put a Chinese unit it in the Mustang!
 

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The MT 82 Tranny that comes with the Coyote is Chinese Junk! Ford should never put a Chinese unit it in the Mustang!
It is a shame too. I would prefer the MT82 gearing with one OD gear, 5th one to one, and 4 lower gears. But it is weak, and does not hold up to high rpm rapid gear changes. How much of that is a clutch release issue? Who knows. That is why I never considered it for my swap, no matter how hard the Parts Farm was trying to sell me one, used, that maybe hurt, and I wont know till its all done. F that.
 

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I bought my 14 TrakPak in late 14 from a Chevy dealer with less than 2kmiles for $28k, sold it two years later although I'd done a lot of suspension work, GT500 wheels, mufflers and front and rear spoiler for $28k...I had maybe $3k in parts into it. Bought my 19 PP1/A10 in June of 19 off the dealers lot with 7 miles for $36k. Personally if the car you're looking at had more than 25k miles I'd walk away until I found one.
I just had a good friend spend $22k for a 16k mile one owner 09 Bullitt. If you believe KBB or Carvana and the others, my 19 is worth what I paid for it. I'm not so sure, but I'm keeping my 19 which has less than 10k miles...Love the car, and who wouldn't when it cut the 1/4 bone stock...10 passes later...11.93 @ 116mph. Not too bad for an off the showroom floor stock automatic. old Mustang2.jpg Bullitt.jpg 19PPA101.jpg
 

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Well for one thing, "real" cars, aka, rwd v8 or even v6 power is few and far in between. The population wants stationwagons and trucks. Yes, I just called your suv what it is and where it came from! Flame away wagoneers!
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$16000 is a big difference to spend? Not like you are comparing a 2000 difference
To me it isn't considering what you get in return. I keep cars for a long time, I have had my 2014 for 8 years now and have no plans to sell. Most people will finance the car, and new car loans interest rates are stupid low, also consider the 10 year old car will likely have 100k miles on it or close to it, my 8 year old car does. Having to spend 20K and then have to fork over money for repairs on top of that. To me the 16K is worth 10 years of trouble free life, just my opinion, you will not get 10 years of trouble free life from a 10 year old car, they already got that. If 16K difference was for a 5 year old car then that is another matter but on a 10 year old car I would rather spend the 16K. I was going to get a used 2011 or 2012 but they wanted near new prices on them in 2013 and they had near 60K miles on them, I spent the same money on a new base model one. Each person can make their own choice, I say buy the new one especially if you keep it for a long time, the payments will be about the same but you get a lot more car for it.
 

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I've never bought a car, hot rod, or race car to make money, because it rarely happens unless you are a collector and pick a Bullitt or Boss 302 or similar, then sit on it for X time.
I look at it like this, buying a new car, you buy the factories issues but at least you have a warranty, buying a used car you buy someone's issues without warranty and maybe a third party warranty that doesn't cover much if the car is modified, plus being expensive.
Personally, I'd never buy a used car that is out of factory warranty, and never one with more than 20k miles, on the other hand buying a car off a collector with just a few thousand miles is like buying a new car without a warranty. Usually issues don't pop up right away, and if you buy a very low mile car that is out of warranty any issues are on you. If you can't find one within your budget, then keep looking and if you have to finance a car, try and pay it off as quick as possible.
I've been fortunate to have modified my 97 Cobra and my 14 TrakPac Mustangs and still have the dealer take care of honoring the warranty when something happened, but then again I don't put more 5 to 6k miles a year on my cars and they are pampered and garaged. One last thing is that if you are buying a used Mustang from a Ford Dealer, you can get a Ford extended warranty...it's not a third party which is much better than a third party warranty...IMHO
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lol, I could care less about a warranty. Its easier to just fix it myself. Will likely cost less too (less time for sure), with less aggravation dealing with the dealer. Not having a car to drive while the car is in the shop. And god forbid, they fuck something up and I'd have to go back to the shop for them to fix the issue. 'Cause that NEVER happens. LMAO
No thanks.
 

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You get much more car value for your money buying used, preferably at the one to five year mark. All things being equal, such as ensuring it's a proven platform for intended use, etc.

Prices of today can't be compared with prices of yesteryear, because yesteryear is gone. Today is your reality now. Maybe pricing'll get better in the future, but that's the same gamble you take with anything you want to buy.
 

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Tell that to all the GT350 owners who blew their motors on track... ;)
That is truely a shame, but if you can fork out 60 grand.... I can't feel sorry for them.
Oh BTW, one of my buddies just had his GT350 engine blow and replaced by Ford.
 

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That is truely a shame, but if you can fork out 60 grand.... I can't feel sorry for them.
Oh BTW, one of my buddies just had his GT350 engine blow and replaced by Ford.
Shitty way to look at it IMO. A lot of guys work very hard to get the money to buy one, doesn't mean they have money just to throw around and replace a motor if they blow it. And don't forget, Ford advertised these cars as track ready, thus the lawsuit from the owners.
That is also no different from my 2018 PP1 which Ford builds with Larger Radiator, Brakes, Wheels, Tires, includes a Track App which they state "Is only to be used on Track". And the manual even covers driving it on track, but they won't cover it worth a shit if you take it on track. Biggest scam Ford ever ran.
 

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Shitty way to look at it IMO. A lot of guys work very hard to get the money to buy one, doesn't mean they have money just to throw around and replace a motor if they blow it. And don't forget, Ford advertised these cars as track ready, thus the lawsuit from the owners.
That is also no different from my 2018 PP1 which Ford builds with Larger Radiator, Brakes, Wheels, Tires, includes a Track App which they state "Is only to be used on Track". And the manual even covers driving it on track, but they won't cover it worth a shit if you take it on track. Biggest scam Ford ever ran.
Not true. Ford does and will cover track used damage.
GT350 mentioned earlier,
My buddy with a 13 boss blew the trans at WGI. Not only did Ford cover it, they even installed aftermarket shifter at no cost (my buddy gave them the shifter)
As for what Ford claims the car can do and what the car is actually capable of doing is not the same thing.. sadly.

My point was: I dont want some dealer hack working on my shit. I will do it myself and know if I fuck it up, who to see about it!
I will NOT spend money on a new vehicle just to have a warranty. If that is a shitty way to look at it, than so be it.
Time to go start pulling the Kmember out of mine, to replace the EPAS that I got with a supposed lifetime warranty. The ebay seller just blew me off. Fuck all warranties. I got the new rack from Napa, that way I can go see someone in person if there is any issues.
 

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Not true. Ford does and will cover track used damage.
That is not true. I filed a complaint with Ford and tried to get them to buy my car back because of it going into limp mode and how unsafe that is to happen while on track. They questioned if I was racing the car and I told them no I was doing a HPDE day, and was running in "Track Mode" which Ford says is to be used on track only. They wouldn't do it and told me to file a lemon law claim thru my state. Lemon law only applies to a car that has been worked on with unsuccessful/unsatisfactory repairs. My car has not been worked on.
Fords big scam....
 

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You have an issue that there is NO WAY for the dealer to duplicate. NOTHING is actually broken. Are you expecting Ford to come to one of your events? Or pay a tech to do a track day in YOUR car? 1st step in warranty claim is to duplicate/verify customer concer. How are they supposed to do that?

The guys I mentioned BROKE something, at a track event, and Ford covered it. Apples to oranges. Go break the trans and Ford will fix it.
 

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You have an issue that there is NO WAY for the dealer to duplicate. NOTHING is actually broken. Are you expecting Ford to come to one of your events? Or pay a tech to do a track day in YOUR car? 1st step in warranty claim is to duplicate/verify customer concer. How are they supposed to do that?

The guys I mentioned BROKE something, at a track event, and Ford covered it. Apples to oranges. Go break the trans and Ford will fix it.
I took my car into my local dealership after the track day. They were able to check all the codes. I also complained about the transmission making an odd noise. Dealership determined it overheated due to high engine temp and they found nothing wrong with trans. Purchased the car in Illinois and had it shipped to me as I needed to have hand controls installed. It arrived at my house and i could hear it missing. Had 4 bad spark plugs. Ford covered that.
 

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The guys I mentioned BROKE something, at a track event, and Ford covered it. Apples to oranges. Go break the trans and Ford will fix it.
Let me ask you this, would you take your car out on track knowing at any point in your run the car could shut down on you, giving you only brakes and steering?
Let me tell you from experience going into Canada Corner at 125 mph and having it happen, that is not a comfortable feeling at all. I'm not going to take that chance again and maybe have somebody else get involved in it? As I mentioned earlier had a car been directly behind me when this happened I would have more than likely been rear ended and that could have lead to injuries or worse! I'm not taking that chance without major mods to my car first! I tried a few sessions after this one and caught the car starting to go into limp mode several times but luckily got off track before going into limp mode again.
 

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