Max mpg s197 mustang build?

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I'm looking for a more fuel efficient daily driver than my truck and heard of some Corvette builds pushing 40mpg on the highway. Corvettes are a little out of my budget for a daily driver but I would still like something that I could have the option to have fun in. The 05-14 mustang came to mind but to be honest I'm typically more of Chevy guy and don't know much of the s197 mustangs. Is anyone getting decent gas mileage in theirs after some modifications or has there been any eco focused builds, and if there has been what's the max mpg that can be made? Or am I going just crazy for trying to get good milage out of a mustang?
 

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The Corvette has a very tall 6th gear but I can't imagine 40mpg would be achievable in that unless it was going at 55mph slightly downhill on a trailing throttle.
What I CAN tell you is that my '06 GT is getting better gas mileage than stock thanks to the mods that I've done. Typically I'll get 16.5-17.0mpg in town driving and 27.0-27.5mpg cruising at an average of 70mph. That's virtually the same as what I was getting from an E36 BMW 318i 20 years ago with an engine that had only 40% of the displacement of my 4.6. Quite amazing when I think about it.
I feel there's still room for further improvement. I have a pair of mid-length headers that need to be installed when I find time (and a lift), and I have a sheet of composite material to make an undertray to fit under the oil pan and bellhousing area. Flat-bottoming the car as much as possible reduces lift and drag.
You need a combination of the following to get good gas mileage from a V8:

1. Low drag body.
2. Light weight.
3. Efficient engine with optimized tuning and parasitic hp losses minimised (underdrive pulleys, windage tray with crank scraper).
4. Strong low rpm torque to allow taller gearing (retain stock cams with full VCT functionality, long tube headers to minimize pumping losses).
5. Narrower tires (within reason) to reduce rolling resistance, and lighter wheel rims to reduce unsprung weight and inertial hp losses.
6. Efficient drivetrain with parasitic hp losses minimised (manual transmission, lightweight driveshaft, lightweight flywheel, synthetic fluids).
 
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The 'Vette is lighter, has better aero, and 6th gear is crazy tall. My dad had a '99 that was turning under 1500 RPM at 65 MPH. He could get around 30 MPG on long highway runs. The guys I've seen claiming 40 MPG are running tunes that run super lean in that 1400-1500 RPM range.
You could probably match the weight and put some 2.73 gears in but the aero is gonna be virtually impossible. The stick axle is theoretically more efficient than the 'Vette's IRS but I doubt it's enough to make up for the aero disadvantage. I never got anything close to 30 MPG with my '05 GT even when it was stock.
Ultimately, I'd say it's a fool's errand. If the gas mileage means that much to you, non-Z06 C5 'Vettes aren't that expensive and you won't have to spend a bunch of money on modifications that will be worth less than zero when you eventually sell it.
 

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I'd like to know when they built a electric/ECO 'vette that gets 40mpg...?? ;) :D

FWIW, my '09 Bullitt gets 16ish in city & 23ish on hwy. If you're a GM fan - get a V6 Camaro. :D
 

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My Track Apps Cluster gives real time gas mileage. It is possible to get 35mpg at about 60mph. Any use of the gas peddle knocks it down quick to 26mpg. In the 10 mile test loop that I use, my 2014 Mustang GT gets 21mpg and my Altima SR3.5 gets 36 mpg with the same driving. With the Mustang, the power comes on big time and the gas mileage heads to zero. Both cars come in at about 3450 lbs.

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I never understood the buy something expensive and fast to try to get better mpg's idea. Get the right tool for the job. My DD/commuter is a Focus 2.0 5 speed manual. I get 32+ without trying. For piling on miles and burning gas just to get to/from work it's quick and relatively comfortable. If you want more sporty, Focus ST.
 

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If a 2.73 rear gear was used, vs a 3.31 rear gear, on a 05-10 car in 5th gear (OD), at 50 mph, your RPM's would drop from 1500...down to just 1237 rpm. At 70 mph, (in OD / 5th gear), your RPM's would drop from 2100...down to just 1732 rpm.

IF you had to do some passing on the HWY, no big deal, just drop down into 3rd gear.
 
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The Corvette has a very tall 6th gear but I can't imagine 40mpg would be achievable in that unless it was going at 55mph slightly downhill on a trailing throttle.
What I CAN tell you is that my '06 GT is getting better gas mileage than stock thanks to the mods that I've done. Typically I'll get 16.5-17.0mpg in town driving and 27.0-27.5mpg cruising at an average of 70mph. That's virtually the same as what I was getting from an E36 BMW 318i 20 years ago with an engine that had only 40% of the displacement of my 4.6. Quite amazing when I think about it.
I feel there's still room for further improvement. I have a pair of mid-length headers that need to be installed when I find time (and a lift), and I have a sheet of composite material to make an undertray to fit under the oil pan and bellhousing area. Flat-bottoming the car as much as possible reduces lift and drag.
You need a combination of the following to get good gas mileage from a V8:


5. Narrower tires (within reason) to reduce rolling resistance, and lighter wheel rims to reduce unsprung weight and inertial hp losses.
6. Efficient drivetrain with parasitic hp losses minimised (manual transmission, lightweight driveshaft, lightweight flywheel, synthetic fluids).

I swap wheels and tires each spring and fall. I notice ZERO difference. 235/45/18 on all 4 x corner's in fall +winter. 285-40-18 fronts / 305-35-19 rears in spring + summer.

I'm assuming the OP wants to use 87 octane fuel ?
 

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I swap wheels and tires each spring and fall. I notice ZERO difference. 235/45/18 on all 4 x corner's in fall +winter. 285-40-18 fronts / 305-35-19 rears in spring + summer.

The cold start enrichment and the longer engine warm up time during the colder months could have negated any benefit from running narrower tires.
 

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Or the MPG difference is so small it just doesn't really matter in the real world. If the difference isn't more than a few mpg, it's academic in the real word.
 

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Fuel milage always dropped a little in cold weather, 1-2 mpg at most. Coyote gets 18-22 in daily, 6~ish at an HPDE track day.
 

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Fuel milage always dropped a little in cold weather, 1-2 mpg at most. Coyote gets 18-22 in daily, 6~ish at an HPDE track day.
The Fuel Usage Gauge on the Track Apps Cluster confirms that. Worth every bit of $200.
 

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I'm looking for a more fuel efficient daily driver than my truck and heard of some Corvette builds pushing 40mpg on the highway. Corvettes are a little out of my budget for a daily driver but I would still like something that I could have the option to have fun in. The 05-14 mustang came to mind but to be honest I'm typically more of Chevy guy and don't know much of the s197 mustangs. Is anyone getting decent gas mileage in theirs after some modifications or has there been any eco focused builds, and if there has been what's the max mpg that can be made? Or am I going just crazy for trying to get good milage out of a mustang?

I own a C7 Corvette . Totally stock 8 speed auto. I regularly get 35mpg on open road trips [confirmed at the pump And the computer]
This is 41.5 mpg Imperial gallon [US Gallon = 3.8 litres , Imp Gallon =4.5 litres]

The Corvette is slippery but so is the Mustang .The biggest aerodynamic aid on a Corvette is the belly pan [flat bottom underneath]

The best mod you can do is "driver skills" and I don't mean annoying hypermile techniques [life's too short for that]
Aerodynamic drag is "squared' to the speed of the car. [double the speed requires 4 x the power]
So if you compare 65mph to 75mph [an increase of 15%] 1.15 x 1.15=1.32% or almost a 1/3 more power is required.
The average modern car only needs about 25hp to cruise at a constant 65mph. Increase this to 75 and it jumps to 33hp
The secret to modern economy is transmissions [they keep stacking the ratios so when back off the gas the car will cruise at low rpm with low hp demands]
The C7 Corvette has a 0.65 O/D in 8th [which is similar to other trans] but it has a 2.41 rear end ratio.
Where it gets acceleration from is the 4.56 1st gear. But when cruising at 65mph is only pulling 1200 rpm
At 1200 rpm under vacuum I doubt if the engine is making 25-30 hp.

Now with driver skills! I spent many wasted years of my misspent youth driving low HP cars on the race track [circuits]
I didn't have the luxury of HP [if I had more power, so did everybody else] So I developed skills of carrying momentum through corners etc. [higher corner speeds = higher exit speeds, and less braking requirements etc]
Now if you transfer these skills to the road [pretending the car is a gutless P.O.S] learning to apex corners correctly, accelerating gently down hills to get momentum up the other side etc Your car should get an increase in economy [close to 33%]

On a side note....I have an Aussie 4.0 Falcon [These get 18mpg average]
I did a cross country trip to deliver a car hauler trailer . I averaged 28mpg towing the trailer and 35mpg on the empty return trip.
I also had a gutless P.O.S Mazda 2.2 diesel pickup [these things are a "slow death" on the highway]
I had the Cops chase me through a winding gorge and the couldn't catch me. I never went over the speed limit [or under it], My ability to carry speeds through corners at the limit meant they couldn't catch me.
They thought I had a V8 under the hood [but it was the opposite]
 

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I had the Cops chase me through a winding gorge and the couldn't catch me. I never went over the speed limit [or under it], My ability to carry speeds through corners at the limit meant they couldn't catch me.
They thought I had a V8 under the hood [but it was the opposite]

Bravo!
 

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I own a C7 Corvette . Totally stock 8 speed auto. I regularly get 35mpg on open road trips [confirmed at the pump And the computer]
This is 41.5 mpg Imperial gallon [US Gallon = 3.8 litres , Imp Gallon =4.5 litres]

The Corvette is slippery but so is the Mustang .The biggest aerodynamic aid on a Corvette is the belly pan [flat bottom underneath]

The best mod you can do is "driver skills" and I don't mean annoying hypermile techniques [life's too short for that]
Aerodynamic drag is "squared' to the speed of the car. [double the speed requires 4 x the power]
So if you compare 65mph to 75mph [an increase of 15%] 1.15 x 1.15=1.32% or almost a 1/3 more power is required.
The average modern car only needs about 25hp to cruise at a constant 65mph. Increase this to 75 and it jumps to 33hp
The secret to modern economy is transmissions [they keep stacking the ratios so when back off the gas the car will cruise at low rpm with low hp demands]
The C7 Corvette has a 0.65 O/D in 8th [which is similar to other trans] but it has a 2.41 rear end ratio.
Where it gets acceleration from is the 4.56 1st gear. But when cruising at 65mph is only pulling 1200 rpm
At 1200 rpm under vacuum I doubt if the engine is making 25-30 hp.

Now with driver skills! I spent many wasted years of my misspent youth driving low HP cars on the race track [circuits]
I didn't have the luxury of HP [if I had more power, so did everybody else] So I developed skills of carrying momentum through corners etc. [higher corner speeds = higher exit speeds, and less braking requirements etc]
Now if you transfer these skills to the road [pretending the car is a gutless P.O.S] learning to apex corners correctly, accelerating gently down hills to get momentum up the other side etc Your car should get an increase in economy [close to 33%]

On a side note....I have an Aussie 4.0 Falcon [These get 18mpg average]
I did a cross country trip to deliver a car hauler trailer . I averaged 28mpg towing the trailer and 35mpg on the empty return trip.
I also had a gutless P.O.S Mazda 2.2 diesel pickup [these things are a "slow death" on the highway]
I had the Cops chase me through a winding gorge and the couldn't catch me. I never went over the speed limit [or under it], My ability to carry speeds through corners at the limit meant they couldn't catch me.
They thought I had a V8 under the hood [but it was the opposite]

Love me a Falcon 4.0! Barra for the win!
 

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The cold start enrichment and the longer engine warm up time during the colder months could have negated any benefit from running narrower tires.
The actual total surface area of contact patch is the same on either the narrower 235mm tires vs the 285's. The wider tires have less front to back contact patch. Total weight per corner remains constant. I swap the tires in the last week of April, or 1st week of May. Mileage stays the same.
 

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Aerodynamic drag is "squared' to the speed of the car. [double the speed requires 4 x the power]
So if you compare 65mph to 75mph [an increase of 15%] 1.15 x 1.15=1.32% or almost a 1/3 more power is required.
The average modern car only needs about 25hp to cruise at a constant 65mph. Increase this to 75 and it jumps to 33hp

On my 2011 Ford Fusion 6 speed automatic, it's 47 mpg (imperial gallon) @ 80 kph. It's 27 mpg @ 140 kph. That's on a dead flat hwy,and has been checked numerous times.
 

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On my 2011 Ford Fusion 6 speed automatic, it's 47 mpg (imperial gallon) @ 80 kph. It's 27 mpg @ 140 kph. That's on a dead flat hwy,and has been checked numerous times.
That is surprisingly good [the 27mpg part]
Going from 80 kph to 140 kph is a 75% increase in speed.
So 1.75 x 1.75 = 3.06
You actually need 3.06 x hp to overcome the drag.

I had the Cops chase me through a winding gorge and the couldn't catch me. I never went over the speed limit [or under it], My ability to carry speeds through corners at the limit meant they couldn't catch me.
They thought I had a V8 under the hood [but it was the opposite]

Bravo!

The pickup was a P.O.S that didn't look roadworthy [but it was driven between paint jobs]
I pulled out of a rural side road as the cops were approaching, so they hunted me down to do a roadside inspection.
The couldn't catch me even though I never went over the speed limit.

Basically the Cops "couldn't drive a nail into sand"

If the OP want's to get the mileage up via engine mods, he needs to increase the engine performance at lower RPM.
The best way is to increase cylinder pressures [higher static compression and/or shorter duration camshafts]
This is what the Toyota Prius is all about. The hybrid electric system overcomes bad driving habits [electric assist on acceleration, and regeneration on deceleration]
Then they strangle the engine with short duration intake and high static compression.They starve the engine on the intake stroke, then use compression to restore cylinder pressures lost via poor volumetric efficiency [NASCAR restrictor plate engines use similar theories for different results]

I've looked at doing similar mods myself. But it is cheaper to keep the car as a weekend toy, and buy a cheap hybrid [$2-4K for a used Prius] you would spend more $$ on engine mods.

Changing driving habits is free
 
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