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Exactly, those who dont play within the rules have screwed this hobby for everyone else.
You sound just like a gun owner that doesn't like ar's.
In your case you don't make enough power to make a difference.
Put a forged motor together and turn the wick up cats can become a problem.
 

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It is a grey area that would be overlooked. Now that grey area is shrinking to nothing but black and white. Due to those who wanted to delete emission components. It may end up that factory stock only will pass smog.
A non carb cai is not the same as removed cats. And Im going back to stock airbox anyway, as the CAI does nothing for power.


No it's not the same, but its like saying now I gotta drive 55 mph when I used to drive 60, because there are those that drive 70 mph and more cops are around. So even though driving 5 over and 15 over are not the same thing, but they really are both speeding. It's just that you think it's OK to speed a little bit and blame your ticket on the guys going 15 over. I think it would be more constructive if we put our blame on the left wing nuts who think the world is going to end tomorrow as opposed to our own community members who want to have fun modifying and racing cars for a sport. Just saying as little as you might think you are, you are part of the same community.
 

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I think it would be more constructive if we put our blame on the left wing nuts who think the world is going to end tomorrow as opposed to our own community members who want to have fun modifying and racing cars for a sport.

Yeah! Let's blame the "left", when it was the "right" that was in power when the EPA was created and these rules, which we now seeing enforced, were created and put on the books. But let's blame the boogyman "left" because it reinforces our self identification of being a card carrying member of the "right". Where's my pitchfork and torch?! Arrrgghhhh!!!
 

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Yeah! Let's blame the "left", when it was the "right" that was in power when the EPA was created and these rules, which we now seeing enforced, were created and put on the books. But let's blame the boogyman "left" because it reinforces our self identification of being a card carrying member of the "right". Where's my pitchfork and torch?! Arrrgghhhh!!!


Sorry, didn't mean to start a political discussion but it is the global warming and green new deal folks that are currently doing the push for stricter regs or enforcement. Yes the EPA and the Clean Air Act began in 1970? under Nixon? and I was quite young when it happened but I don't remember it being a partisan undertaking, I could be wrong. But either way I'm talking about what is going on currently and the changes being made today. We went from being able to buy "offroad" products and now there is a push to make it totally illegal to modify your vehicle's performance in any way. That did not come about during the Nixon administration.
 

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No it's not the same, but its like saying now I gotta drive 55 mph when I used to drive 60, because there are those that drive 70 mph and more cops are around. So even though driving 5 over and 15 over are not the same thing, but they really are both speeding. It's just that you think it's OK to speed a little bit and blame your ticket on the guys going 15 over. I think it would be more constructive if we put our blame on the left wing nuts who think the world is going to end tomorrow as opposed to our own community members who want to have fun modifying and racing cars for a sport. Just saying as little as you might think you are, you are part of the same community.
Yep, it’s was all those damn leftists in their modified pickups rolling coal that started this whole crack down.
 

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Sorry, didn't mean to start a political discussion but it is the global warming and green new deal folks that are currently doing the push for stricter regs or enforcement. Yes the EPA and the Clean Air Act began in 1970? under Nixon? and I was quite young when it happened but I don't remember it being a partisan undertaking, I could be wrong. But either way I'm talking about what is going on currently and the changes being made today. We went from being able to buy "offroad" products and now there is a push to make it totally illegal to modify your vehicle's performance in any way. That did not come about during the Nixon administration.

I read a great deal about the creation of the EPA last year. Most of changes today are not really changes. Just enforcement. But some, as you pointed out, are new or new interpretations o existing rules. It's an unbalanced situation for sure.

But they aren't trying to outlaw modifying your vehicle. Just the modification of the emissions control systems (ECS). If the ECS is present and functional, it's not an issue from my reading of the rules. From a Federal standpoint, if it's there and operating as designed, it's good. State's vary.
 

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I'm not badmouthing the EPA per say, they have done many good things. They protected against depletion of the ozone, cleaned up toxic waste, banning DDT etc. They have basically provided us with cleaner air, purer water and better protected land. My point was to quit blaming the folks trying to skirt the law for the push to increase enforcement or new regulations when it is not a reaction to their actions but in response to the latest push from the progressive left (is that better?) for more and stricter tightening of regulations. I'm not bad mouthing, I think the EPA is a necessary evil. Just like we need speed limits on our roadways. I do not agree with some of the limits set but it is necessary to have them.
 

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Sorry guys, blame me for the new enforcement. My bad for bringing politics into this. That was not my point. For any democrats whom I may have offended with my comment I apologize. I don't vilify folks based on their political leanings. Personally I loathe both parties and belong to neither. In fact I have given up on this country all together as far as politics are concerned. I just have to survive two presidents and I'm out. Let's get back to the exhaust issue.
 

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It's hard not to become a political conversation. The big problem is we're becoming a nanny state. Freedom is a scary thing and it's not for everyone. This is just like the ight to fix laws.
Companies should be able to sell what they want it should come down to the end user. If I wanted to run my non cated pipe on the street that is on me being the end user. We all know there are rules tampering with emissions equipment.
I'll get off my soap box now
 

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SCT put responsibility on the end user with the PRP software.
 

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My pipe has a crossover but mine attach to headers but same brand. Yes they are of mild steel and will corrode on you depending on where you live. As far fitment I never had any issues. All of my welds look solid. I have a a couple of mid-pipes and their headers. I'll try and take some close ups of the welds when I get home, if I remember, but I never had an issue with them. They are made in the US I believe.

But if you don't want pacesetter you can spend more for these.

https://www.summitracing.com/parts/pye-hfm26/make/ford/model/mustang/year/2007


I ordered the X pipe a week ago, a month back order. Debated on canceling after reading the review the guy was referring to, but your experience with your H has me holding out hope. I’ve already turned off my rear o2’s in Advantage III when I used the driver side port for my wideband, so no issue with a light.
 

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And thanks for bringing the wrath of the EPA down on the rest of us. These new rules coming down the pike are due to ppl like you who dont give a fuck about the rest of us.

I’m confused… so you’re saying if no one ever did deletes and such there would be no new “rules”… So if there were no rules would you go to an off-road pipe? So you do that, and thousands of others do it, and now the EPA creates a “rule”. Do you stay deleted even though you’re one of those “ppl who don’t give a fuck about the rest of us”? Chicken or the egg makes no difference here, you seem to be unaffected either way as you wouldn’t push the limits anyway. Maybe I’m misunderstanding what you mean, I dunno.
 

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I just ordered an off-road h pipe off eBay for my 2v cut everything from under the car pieced it all back together with slip fitting and clamps then had a shop weld it all up. I personally got rid of my cats not for added power but for the sound. I’m that guy you blame for the epa cracking down on us I guess. Cuz my 3v has longtubes 3” catless h-pipe and muffler delete along with the mother thumper cams it’s music to my ears. As far as the government it doesn’t matter left or right they all just want more power and our freedoms. First they crack down on my guns so I start focusing more on my car hobby and I be damned if they aren’t coming after that now too. Idk maybe I’m part of the problem but ima keep doing what I want to my cars and just like my guns they’ll just have to come an take em. Cuz I’m not quitting either nor handing them over…
 

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There is/are no "new" rule(s). Functional emissions control systems have been a protected codified thing at the Federal level since the early 70's. The only new thing is the enhanced enforcement of the existing rules under the existing law by clamping down on companies making far more "off road" parts than there are possibly "off road" cars using them. Meaning off-road parts are being used on on-road cars. They (the EPA) targeted gross violators of this (mostly diesel guys) with BIG fines and pretty much all the rest of the aftermarket sat up and said "Shit! It's not worth the risk to make off-raod parts anymore." So they stopped to limit their legal liability. At this point the EPA is not coming after individual owners. It'd be too costly to effectivly clamp down on every Tom, Dick and Harry modifying their own car. That doesn't mean they won't. They could exert pressure on the States to tighten up their inspection regimens. Which could force non-compliant cars off the road. The off road parts train has effectively stopped rolling.
 

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