Front and Rear Seat Compatibility Across S197 Model Year Range

Discussion in 'Mustang Chit Chat' started by oldVOR, Jan 4, 2016.

  1. oldVOR

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    As the title states, will seats from an 11-14 fit into 05-09 without any modifications?
    Manual, electric, airbag and heated differences aside.
     
  2. skwerl

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    Front seat mounts are the same, plugs may be different. Rear seats have that stupid headrest on the 10-14 years. Funny how they dropped that on the 15 model.
     
  3. o2sys

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    2010-2014 Passenger seats is all the same except for the OCS bladder and modules. Which there for you need to convert and swap things anyways.

    2010-2014 Driver seat harness is different but only the main plug that plugs into the car. Motors and switches are all the same though. So you can reuse your current wiring harness on the seat.

    05-14 heater elements are all the same as well.

    SRS is all the same across 05-14. They all plug in and have the same resistance.
     
  4. oldVOR

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    I have a set of '14 premium seats, power driver and manual passenger, both with air bags. The '05 I'm installing them into is a premium car but didn't have air bags in the seats.

    If I followed along with the posts here and in another thread;
    The passenger seat is plug and play.
    The driver seat needs to have the '05 harness I stalled on the '14 seat frame for the motors to work.
    Is this it for the seats to be installed?

    Bigger question, the '05 has the yellow plugs with terminators under the seats but there aren't air bags in the '05 seats. Would it be safe to plug the '14 seats air bag plugs into the '05 body harness? Or are the supporting SRS sensors not in place to support air bag equipped seats?

    Thanks!
     
  5. oldVOR

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    Installing later model (2104 S197) front seats into early model (2005 S197) chassis is fairly straight forward. There are several threads out there listing the steps. However, I ran across a few small differences that required minor modifications for the swap.

    First, they are a direct bolt-in swap. everyone knows this already, nothing new here.

    Second, what ever level of seat you have going into the car, you'll need that same level wiring harness for the corresponding year of the car as long as the body wiring of the car will support that level (base, premium, etc). In my case, the '14 premium seats require the premium seat wiring harness from a '05 or '06 Mustang. The '05 harness for the driver seat is a direct fit with exception of the wiring connector for the seat belt buckle. The passenger seat is the same with the only difference being the wiring connector for the seat belt buckle. Thankfully, both the driver and passenger seat harnesses were sourced as NOS from an ebay supplier for $7 each in unopened OEM Ford packaging. A great find considering Ford still has them at $50 (driver) and $75 (passenger) each

    Third, the '14 seat belt electrical connections do not match the '05-'06 seat harness connections. Connectors were sourced through Ford and soldered into the '05-'06 seat harness. Also, there is a slight difference in open circuit resistance between the early and late model seat belt buckle assemblies (3.5megohm on the '05 and 5.0megohm on the '14) but, not enough of a difference to cause any issues within the Restraint Control Module that monitors these points.

    Fourth, the OCS sensor, sensor bracket and bladder needs to be moved as a set from the '05 seat into the '14 seat. As long as the OCS sensor is going back into the car it came from, there will not be a need to re-calibrate the SRS module. If it is not from the car it came from, it may throw an SRS code since the zero reading might not match what's stored in the RCM. Any Ford dealer can re-calibrate the module for the zero weight reading from the bladder and it will function normally.

    Some notes from scouring junk yards and looking through cars:
    1 - '05-'06 models share the same electrical connector between the seat and chassis
    2 - '07-'14 models share the same electrical connector between the seat and chassis
    3 - '05-'09 OCS sensors and bladders are the same (not interchangeable with '11-'14)
    4 - '11-'14 OCS sensors and bladders are the same (not interchangeable with '05-'09)
     
  6. lindertw

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    could you share which junkyards in NoVA have S197's? I'd be interested in wandering around
     
  7. oldVOR

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    M&M Salvage in Spotsylvania has two locations with ~20 cars between them and Bruce Salvage in Mechanicsville has ~15 cars. I was at both these yards about two weeks ago.

    They could do a better job of keeping the interiors covered since they were all pretty much trashed due to weather. The doors are the first items to come off and then they sit open to the elements.

    I was checking over the fifth or six car and moving loose interior bits around when I came across a five foot black snake. I'm not afraid of snakes and just reached down and threw it out. The yard guy that was there with me jumped into the bed of the pickup we drove down in and started yelling about how he was afraid of snakes and to let him know next time. I laughed quietly to myself!
     
  8. DesertStang06

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    I need to move.
    800k people.
    Dozens of junk yards.

    2 S197s.

    I'd go crazy with interior changes and hoarding wiring harnesses if I had that many to dig through.
     
  9. Boss281

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    Ok, getting a bit confused although I now sense what I WANT to do isn't possible.

    I have a 2005 Mustang GT that came from the dealer with leather seats with airbags. The OEM seats are long gone. I started racing in 2006, and put in Corbeau's. Following a writeup I found here on this forum, I installed two airbag terminator plugs I bought from Ford to fool the RCM, and moved the passenger seat bladder to the Corbeau. All worked.

    A few years ago, I started to put the car back to street. I found two OEM leather electric seats from a 2009 Mustang (wrong color but they worked) and plugged them in. All is well so I sold the Corbeaus. Passenger seat didn't have forward or backward movement, but who cared? The airbag errors were gone.

    Wife has finally had it with her passenger seat not having forward/rear movement so I sell the seats from the 2009 and buy two Corbeaus. I get terminators, moved the bladder from the 2009 over (the new owner didn't need it) and plugged it all in. I get side airbag codes. Pull the two terminators, cut them open, cut out 7ohm resisters (I think this new spec in manufacturing occurred in 2010), and soldered in 2 ohm resisters. Side airbag code is fixed but now have a new code: B2290. I can clear it but it comes back immediately.

    I find a nice pair of 2006 Mustang NON-airbag seats locally with driver electric and passenger manual, plug it in, and all works. So my terminator soldering hack worked, and the bladder is apparently good in the replaced seat.

    So, I THINK I have a bad passenger seat bladder but I'm reading in other threads that bladder needs reprogrammed by Ford. if so, why does it work on my 2006 replacement seats I just bought, and not the 2009 seat bladder pulled from the other set? Stumped.

    Ideally, I want to have NO codes with the Ford seats in there (which I have now) when the wife is in the car, and NO codes with the Corbeau's in there, when I start open tracking the machine.

    Ideas, thoughts, criticisms, comments????
     
  10. Sky Render

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    I thought the airbag resistance changed in the '12 or '13 model year.
     
  11. Boss281

    Boss281 Senior Member S197 Team Member

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    I may have the year wrong but what you pick up TODAY at Ford hovers around 7ohms. I have 5 on hand ordered through Tasca and all were showing 7 ohms...

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  12. themoose06

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    Yeah, I know i've told you, but for anything else. My car was built in late 05, is a base v6. My airbag dummy plugs both measured out to 7ohms. So I don't think there were any different ones in the 05-09's. Like i've said with that pasenger code. The OCS and bladder, unless I misunderstood oldVOR, are programmed to the car specifically. So when you change the passenger seat to a different seat and don't change the bladder and OCS, the car doesn't recognize it. So you either have to swap the ocs and bladder or have ford reflash or reprogram them. Eventually I may be able to confirm this when I get the airbag recall done.


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  13. Boss281

    Boss281 Senior Member S197 Team Member

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    Rightttttt, but observations regarding the bladder haven't been a problem for me with TWO sets of replacement seats (oldVORs 2006 seats and a set of 2009 seats) and I have measured several old and new terminators and found specific resistance differences. I can't explain it, just report it...I am tempted to put the 2006 seats back in, get the airbag recall done, THEN try the Corbeau passenger seat with 2009 bladder and see what happens. A puzzle for sure.

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  14. themoose06

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    Its a weird problem, and to be honest i'm a bit confused as to the whole situation. A shot in the dark, but maybe a wire got cut or something? I don't know what else to say. Just a guess though.


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  15. Boss281

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    If you search this forum for "ohms" and "seat", you'll see consistency in the reports of the "early" airbag terminators reading 2 ohms and later s197s reading 7 ohms. Like I say, I've seen that myself (see http://www.s197forum.com/forum/showpost.php?p=2126084&postcount=16 as an example).

    The bladder thing is really weird. OEM seats work fine, no codes period. I have a nice Innovate tool for pulling and clearing OBDII, SRS and ABS codes, and the OEM seats, when plugged, fix any SRS lights that have shown up before. With my frankenstein terminator plugs set at 2 ohms, I get no side airbag code with the Corbeaus now, but the bladder is apparently an issue. what I need to know is whether I can have both OEM and Corbeau seats easy to swap in and out and RETAIN the airbag functionality, a la no codes. From what you are saying I may not have that luxury. I'm afraid if I get the Corbeaus programmed for the bladder the bladder in the 2006 will then show the same freaking problem. Ah well, time will tell...
     
  16. themoose06

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    Yeah. I don't know why my 06 Plugs would read 7? They were definitely stock


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  17. DJGietzen

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    (consolidated by staff with prior referenced thread)


    Hey all,

    I'm going to be installing some 2014 seats in my 2007 mustang to replace the worn ones.

    I found this thread, https://www.s197forum.com/threads/f...tibility-across-s197-model-year-range.126494/ but I have a we questions and did'nt want to zombie the old thread.

    In the thread oldVOR says
    "Second, what ever level of seat you have going into the car, you'll need that same level wiring harness for the corresponding year of the car as long as the body wiring of the car will support that level (base, premium, etc). In my case, the '14 premium seats require the premium seat wiring harness from a '05 or '06 Mustang. The '05 harness for the driver seat is a direct fit with exception of the wiring connector for the seat belt buckle. The passenger seat is the same with the only difference being the wiring connector for the seat belt buckle."

    I don't know the trim level of my new seats, but aside from the inclusion of side impact airbags the features are all the same. Will I run into a problem with the harness or will the new one plug right into to whats in my car?

    oldVOR goes on to say
    "Third, the '14 seat belt electrical connections do not match the '05-'06 seat harness connections. Connectors were sourced through Ford and soldered into the '05-'06 seat harness. Also, there is a slight difference in open circuit resistance between the early and late model seat belt buckle assemblies (3.5megohm on the '05 and 5.0megohm on the '14) but, not enough of a difference to cause any issues within the Restraint Control Module that monitors these points."

    Is this the same issue as "the wiring connector for the seat belt buckle" and will this be an issue for me as I'm putting '14 seats in a '07 ?

    oldVOR also mentioned

    "Fourth, the OCS sensor, sensor bracket and bladder needs to be moved as a set from the '05 seat into the '14 seat. As long as the OCS sensor is going back into the car it came from, there will not be a need to re-calibrate the SRS module."

    Do I have to move the bladder and everything, or can I just have a dealership calibrate the new SRS module?

    and finally. Does any one know if its safe to hook up the airbag sensors in the seats to the 07's harness? As long as they are in the seats I'd like to have them in the event of a crash.
     
  18. DJGietzen

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    My seats arived today.
    No one has any advice?
    How do you start a conversation with some on on here..? I see oldVOR is an active forum member and he has done this before....
     
  19. DJGietzen

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    I see oldVOR is still an active user, can some one send him a PM letting him know I'm trying to contact him? I don't know how many posts I need before I can do that myself but I'm not there yet