Is it odd to you that a supercharger kit costs similarly to a complete coyote engine

[skaarlaj]

I just think it's kind of crazy when a supercharger kit can cost similar to an entire Coyote engine. Not complaining, as I've surely "fed the monster", but is the price of a new Coyote engine very, very, reasonable, or is the kit for a small simple compressor with a belt and some pulleys, and other odds, and ends to develop positive pressure into your engine's intake, super expensive in your opinion?

For me, a complete high performance, tech savvy 400+ hp engine should cost 15K, or a blower kit should be around 1500.

 

[stkjock]

scale of production and buying power of Ford vs. small SC company

 

[Racer47]

exactly, go ask a machine shop to make you 1 part vs someone with a cnc machine making 1 part every 15 minutes, 24 hrs a day

plus the blower on your motor is going to make more power than starting over with a coyote swap

 

[eighty6gt]

Mass produced parts are stupid cheap. I think ford sells a rocker arm for $4? It costs $.35. And is exactly worth that in the 3v. I hope I don't have a rocker surprise, but if I do, hell-o five-o.

 

[702GT]

I just think it's kind of crazy when a supercharger kit can cost similar to an entire Coyote engine. Not complaining, as I've surely "fed the monster", but is the price of a new Coyote engine very, very, reasonable, or is the kit for a small simple compressor with a belt and some pulleys, and other odds, and ends to develop positive pressure into your engine's intake, super expensive in your opinion?

For me, a complete high performance, tech savvy 400+ hp engine should cost 15K, or a blower kit should be around 1500.

Takes quite a bit more than just dropping a coyote into a 05-10 Mustang to make it work as well as what it came with stock. The same is also true of most any FI system. Some do it better than others. I think prochargers stage 2 kit fits like crap compared to their HO kit. But if we're talking strictly head units, your expectations aren't far off the mark. Most turbo/centri head units go for $1k-$2k new. It's drop in kits that cost the extra money. The same is true for the coyote. If it's a true turn-key ready motor swap, it's closer to $10k. Any FI head unit, while may be small and simple in theory, are precision engineered and relatively delicate parts. It would be a shame if rotars chewed themselves up and spit the pieces into a motor, or a compressor wheel flew apart and did the same. Exotic materials and alloys (like titanium) are also used in most FI units. Show me a coyote bearing that is designed for 60,000 rpm of continuous use. Remember that FI companies don't just build units to be run on the street, they design them to be used off-road and even marine applications.

I managed to get my FI kit used and on the cheap (2k for the whole kit, minus some odds/ends). But for $5k, most FI companies will stand behind their product. Buy a coyote crate motor and stick it in a '80's Fox and it won't turn over, Ford's gonna tell ya you're on your own.

 

[BruceH]

I don't find it odd at all. Things cost what they cost.

Not sure if you are alluding to a 5.0 being a better investment than a supercharger, in a 3v it isn't, at least not for me. It is a shame that those heads will only fit a 5.0 because they are the game changer imo.

 

[Gabe]

Both cost too much

 

[travelers]

Back in '08 I think it was when Ford Racing Parts decided to offer the FRPP/Whipple the price jumped from around 5K to 7K. It's never came back down as you can see. I was thinking about it back then just before the price jumped but didn't have the money right then on my '07GT.

It seems that every time FRPP decides to buy into a product and offer it under there name/ other company name, the price goes up. As an example the FRPP Suspension Handling Sys. They have the FRPP/Tokico Shocks only. You can't buy the Tokico shock at all.

 

[skaarlaj]

I don't find it odd at all. Things cost what they cost.

Not sure if you are alluding to a 5.0 being a better investment than a supercharger, in a 3v it isn't, at least not for me. It is a shame that those heads will only fit a 5.0 because they are the game changer imo.

No not saying one is a better investment than the other, just physically "what you get" with each makes it hard to believe that the prices are similar, and I totally agree, and understand the mass production aspect.

Just a high tech engine, or "any" engine for that matter has alot more going on, than a supercharger kit with a compressor, hoses and a few clamps is all. I'm betting alot of people lay down over 10K to have a nice blower installed onto their Coyote Mustang, then when it comes time to upgrade to an aluminator, or have the internals upgraded on their existing engine to handle more boost when 6xx starts feeling boring, that there's far more whining going on for the engine expense, vs the blower expense.

Just an observation folks, nothing more..

 

[TGR96]

When it comes to the car hobby, I quit pondering prices of parts a long time ago. This hobby makes zero financial sense. We all must be a little crazy...

 

[stkjock]

This hobby makes zero financial sense.

most hobby's are that way... that's why they are hobby's and not professions...

 

[redfirepearlgt]

Yes they are expensive. But the very same could be said about Cams in retrospect. $1500 bucks for Coyote aftermarket cams? Four pieces of turned down round stock to gain 20RWHP...maybe? Then the cost to retune and possibly the cost for replacement cam phasers and cam phaser bolts should they fail?

Everything is high in the aftermarket world I do agree. But I have yet to find a hobby outside of matchbook collecting that is cheap. Can you even buy matches any more? LOL!

 

[46addict]

When you think about dollar per power and the limits of stock parts it makes little sense to supercharge a GT when everything else is stock. The $6k or so you spend on a new kit will have to be set up at low boost to not destroy the engine. For the same amount of coin you could have new shortblock with forged parts and a nitrous kit to fill the void while you rebuild the funds for a supercharger kit. And somewhere in the rabbit hole you will need to come up with the money for an upgraded transmission/clutch/differential and replace wear items. All of that adds up.

A good candidate for a Coyote swap would be a car that spends more time on the road course. Stock NA power would be easier to keep cool and more cost effective.

 

[eighty6gt]

That's with 4.6's, a 5.0 car with a dob dob dob kit would be just fine. Control arm relocation brackets and arms and some good rubber, pulley it for 500-550rw and enjoy yourself.

 

[46addict]

Even on Coyotes people end up limiting boost to 10-11 psi (or less) from what I've read. Most supercharger kits can push more air than that so your $6k-8k investment is only running at 65-75% of its potential. To some that is justifiable but if you can spend $1k on a nitrous kit and reach the same power level, it doesn't make much sense to run boost unless the engine is built to take the forces of a supercharger/turbo at 100% efficiency.

 

[Racer47]

but if you can spend $1k on a nitrous kit and reach the same power level, it doesn't make much sense to run boost unless the engine is built to take the forces of a supercharger/turbo at 100% efficiency.

Maybe if all you want to do is drag race. But for real world, on the road driving, you can't beat a pd blower. 500 whp and tons of torque available all the time, instantly at any rpm is addicting and its very driveable and predictable. IMHO its way better than a centri or turbos or nitrous. Over the years, I have them all. I'll never go back. Plus it doesn't always cost $6k, it depends on how you do it.

 

[Bill220]

Maybe if all you want to do is drag race. But for real world, on the road driving, you can't beat a pd blower. 500 whp and tons of torque available all the time, instantly at any rpm is addicting and its very driveable and predictable. IMHO its way better than a centri or turbos or nitrous. Over the years, I have them all. I'll never go back. Plus it doesn't always cost $6k, it depends on how you do it.

I wanted a PD blower but ended up with a Paxton due to financial constraints. It's still in the box. I hope I like it. Car is a 3 season DD, no track duty and I don't street race. I just wanted the extra power, the stock 3V was getting boring.

 

[46addict]

Either blower will have you giggling like a school girl. It's just a question of what rpm range do you want to haul ass. And if you don't like the narrow powerband you can wastegate the Paxton with a smaller pulley to have it behave like a PD blower.

 

[Racer47]

I wanted a PD blower but ended up with a Paxton due to financial constraints. It's still in the box. I hope I like it. Car is a 3 season DD, no track duty and I don't street race. I just wanted the extra power, the stock 3V was getting boring.

Don't worry, you'll like it a lot coming from a stock engine.

But think of the pd like you're dating a super model. Sure the girl next door can still be fun but after you've had the super model, its just not the same. But if all you've ever had is the girl next door, then its much easier to be satisified.

 

[46addict]

PD can quickly lead to PE because that super model won't come with extra rubber to compensate for instantaneous torque.