The slow guys always say shit like this.
flame suit on, fire away, I dont care, I'll just laugh as I lap you.......again.
Series 1 is without the bracing. Series 2 is with it.
I agree with you on this, I really could care less what guys like Terry Fair and Racer47 have to say with the snyde comments to try to boost their egos. I've been nothing but honest and only tried to explain how much difference I feel this brace made for me in my car and show the data that I have regarding it. People can interpret it however they wish. If it makes me more confident on track and my times faster, that is all that really matters.Make the modifications to your car that put that smile on your face, and ignore anyone who says that it's not a worthwhile modification just because it doesn't make your car faster (whether or not it helps you go faster is a different question).
I think of Terry Fair on this, as in one of his racing posts I read he talks about running great, but finishing second to that faster Corvette (actually I think it was a couple times??) and then tries to give excuses why he got beat. That's not a snyde comment by me either, it's fact because he wrote it.But remember this: unless you're truly exceptional, there's always someone faster than you. If being the fastest is what you're all about, then you're almost always going to lose and you'll almost always be unhappy as a result, since being fastest is what you care about, right?
The slow guys always say shit like this.
flame suit on, fire away, I dont care, I'll just laugh as I lap you.......again.
If jj427r would have shown up for the cruise for a cause high speed autox, he would have seen me beat the entire field of 45 mustangs including several that showed up on a trailer plus about a dozen s550s.
That's what happens when you actually race. Sometimes you win sometimes you don't. In fact, many guys that race never win anything. Winning is hard. Try it sometime and you'll know. When you are 10 seconds off the pace, no one cares about your chassis recommendations. That crap only happens online. In real life, at the race track, the back marker cars are not trying to tell the front runners how good their brace is. Or how good their car feels. The back markers are normally asking the front runners for advice.
If jj427r would have shown up for the cruise for a cause high speed autox, he would have seen me beat the entire field of 45 mustangs including several that showed up on a trailer plus about a dozen s550s. I don't think he would be trying to sell me on some brace after watching that. And that's not a snyde comment by me either, it's fact because I was there racing and winning
Pure speculation on your part because you also said you have never tried one on your car, so you really have no idea what they do. You can say they do nothing but how do you really know that? I respect all your racing knowledge, but you also should respect what Pentalab and myself have been saying, that these do in fact do something and you will notice a considerable change in stiffness of the car, regardless how stiff you feel they are. I have no reason to make up some claim about these as I have nothing to gain at all from this.Aftermarket part makers, make stuff that sells. It does not need to work. It only needs to make a profit. Just because a brace exists, doesn't mean it does anything. It certainly is not good for 2 seconds of lap time. Those claims are ridiculous. Thats why actual racers here and on facebook are calling it bs.
I like your replies and I kinda agree to a point. Making the car easier to drive normally entails raising its performance envelope.
So at any given speed you are now only at 80% of the cars limits instead of 90%. The problem is arguing in favor of some brace on a car already stiff enough to run 80%. That brace is not doing anything measurable.
I could add stripes and claim my car feels better. Then I could ask for a gofundme page to pay for my testing to "prove" that it is faster because no one has tested it before. Its similar nonsense.
Aftermarket part makers, make stuff that sells. It does not need to work. It only needs to make a profit. Just because a brace exists, doesn't mean it does anything. It certainly is not good for 2 seconds of lap time. Those claims are ridiculous. Thats why actual racers here and on facebook are calling it bs.
Or anyone who has to win to eat! (Which is not me, I'm just playin'.)
By the way, here's a question that will clear everything up with respect to this discussion:
If you had to choose between a modification that would make your car faster than everyone else's, but which also made it so that the car was absolutely no fun at all (to the point of being painful) to drive, versus a modification that made the car an absolute blast to drive but made it just a little slower than the first modification, which would you choose?
If all you care about is winning, you'll choose the first modification and will be miserable while driving your car -- but you'll win. Anyone else with any sanity would choose the second one.
Ok, I have to ask as ONE thing has not been mentioned yet. ABS/Traction control/Yaw control. (or is that 3 things? LOL) I prefer a fully "analog" driving experience without some computer overriding my inputs to the car. Would electronics make me go faster? Probably, but would take away some of the fun factor.
So then when is a driver considered truly capable? I consider myself more than capable at this point.
I've worked with instructing HPDE students for over 30 years, and try to help new folks or even "the regulars" who want to learn how to go faster. The best way to help folks see "where they are" is to take them for a ride-along on a 90% pace or faster lap. Experiencing a lap first hand in a car that is 10-20+ sec a lap faster than they are has an AMAZING effect: it resets their parameters.