2013 Boss 302 Cobra Jet install

[2013Boss302]

I live in Southern California

 

[Grabber]

Mike Rousch at Mid Atlantic; no issues with the MAF here. Rev Auto is the only 5" intake on the market, all the other ones may have started at 5" but neck down along the way.

Not sure why you say it is overkill, it is the same price as the twin blade and moves a lot more air.

Do you have any data to back up your claim that the Rev Auto causes issues? Granted, it is SVTP but they are very popular on there and have not read of issues with them.

Overkill in terms of size, not necessarily price. The Rev Auto intake can handle over 1,700 CFM where as the Throttle body is limited to 1,500 or so. The guy that built my Intake and also Shaun @ AED agree and pretty much say the same thing. Shaun explained to me that there are bad readings down low on the MAF and there is a lot of retained heat since it is mild steel and not aluminum. My intake is cool within 5 minutes of popping the hood even after being driven on a 90 degree day.

I have no real "proof" but can definitely get some. The Rev auto intake is $475 shipped depending on where you are located and some people have been waiting 5-6 weeks. My intake was $300 and took 2 days and the FRPP CJ Intake is $400 and usually in stock.

Granted, a tuner can account for the increased air and any MAF readings, but, the mild-steel factor killed it for me. I still would love an identical piece in Aluminum, but, that will most likely cost upwards of $500+ for just the intake not including the shipping from MD.

 

[Greg Hazlett]

Concur about the price and length of wait time from Rev Auto; just wondering if you are somewhat "jaded" on the Rev Auto piece based on the price difference?

Shaun and Mike tune/talk together so I trust Mike to know what he is doing; the discusson about metal vs plastic for CAI's have been going forever and it seems there is data to support both pro's/cons.

My car did 8 runs in 88-90 heat with 1860 DA Monday at MIR with the hood open/cool downs between runs and I did not see any issues; granted, I was not data logging each run, Mike had it set up to data log on one pass but I think that was to adjust the rev limiter/1-2 shift.

 

[Grabber]

Concur about the price and length of wait time from Rev Auto; just wondering if you are somewhat "jaded" on the Rev Auto piece based on the price difference?

Shaun and Mike tune/talk together so I trust Mike to know what he is doing; the discusson about metal vs plastic for CAI's have been going forever and it seems there is data to support both pro's/cons.

My car did 8 runs in 88-90 heat with 1860 DA Monday at MIR with the hood open/cool downs between runs and I did not see any issues; granted, I was not data logging each run, Mike had it set up to data log on one pass but I think that was to adjust the rev limiter/1-2 shift.

Not "jaded" at all man. I've discussed this with several people that have changed intakes from the Rev Auto due to retaining high heat and having to have a little bit of extra tweaking to make the intake work perfectly.

The price is not really an issue with me man. It is expensive, but, it is also a heavy piece to boot.

In between cool downs is one thing. In your opinion, do you think the car would run the same if you went back to back with the intake getting hotter and hotter?

What mods did you have on the car when you were running 8's?

Again, I WANT a Rev Auto Intake, just wish it was made in aluminum (Weight is also a factor as Brad said it was about 25LBS without the filter, which could be a high number) and if it would have been made within the 3 week lead time they quoted me. I am all about the looks, but, I did want something that would perform since I did need it right then and there and the Rev Auto intake just wouldn't get to me in time since I had planned the tune session nearly a month in advance.

 

[2013Boss302]

he said he did 8 runs not running 8's

 

[AndrewS197]

Impressive!!!

 

[Greg Hazlett]

Not "jaded" at all man. I've discussed this with several people that have changed intakes from the Rev Auto due to retaining high heat and having to have a little bit of extra tweaking to make the intake work perfectly.

The price is not really an issue with me man. It is expensive, but, it is also a heavy piece to boot.

In between cool downs is one thing. In your opinion, do you think the car would run the same if you went back to back with the intake getting hotter and hotter?

What mods did you have on the car when you were running 8's?

Again, I WANT a Rev Auto Intake, just wish it was made in aluminum (Weight is also a factor as Brad said it was about 25LBS without the filter, which could be a high number) and if it would have been made within the 3 week lead time they quoted me. I am all about the looks, but, I did want something that would perform since I did need it right then and there and the Rev Auto intake just wouldn't get to me in time since I had planned the tune session nearly a month in advance.

The discussion about running back to back is not valid as no car does well with back to back runs...

I will weigh the intake when I remove it this weekend, I don't think it is 25 lbs but I have been wrong before! If it is that heavy then you certainly have a point with the weight savings of the Airraid/FRPP CAI.

Wish I was in the 8's, LOL!

 

[Grabber]

The discussion about running back to back is not valid as no car does well with back to back runs...

I will weigh the intake when I remove it this weekend, I don't think it is 25 lbs but I have been wrong before! If it is that heavy then you certainly have a point with the weight savings of the Airraid/FRPP CAI.

Wish I was in the 8's, LOL!

I suppose so man.

I failed to read. I actually thought you said you were running 8's in the 1/8 and assumed that is what it meant. My bad bro.

If I had to guess, the Rev Auto intake maybe weighs 12-14LBS without the filter, if that.

Let me know though, I am curious to see what it does weigh.

 

[wbt]

The restriction on these motors is on the exhaust side, not the intake. In my 5 months of testing the CJ intake with various throttle bodies and intake tubes, it resulted in 0 gains over the Boss intake and stock throttle body.

IMO the 5" intake tube does nothing over the FRPP CAI.

 

[2013Boss302]

The restriction on these motors is on the exhaust side, not the intake. In my 5 months of testing the CJ intake with various throttle bodies and intake tubes, it resulted in 0 gains over the Boss intake and stock throttle body.

IMO the 5" intake tube does nothing over the FRPP CAI.

Do you have proof of this theory?

 

[Kenaizer]

Do you have proof of this theory?

It's his opinion, based on the comparisons he has personally done.

 

[Grabber]

If you don't mind, I can link what two guys I know locally did that are both tech savvy, and the one that did the test is an awesome mechanic opening up his own shop and will be doing his own tuning (Works closely with Shaun @ AED)

http://www.svtperformance.com/forum...-ported-Boss-w-stock-vs-CAI-intake&highlight=

Here are his results with the CJ Manifold

http://www.svtperformance.com/forums/showthread.php?977000-DD-N-A-coyote-11-0-s-on-motor&highlight=

11.0's @ 122, 440-445 RWHP with the CJ Setup. He made a lot more power with the CJ setup.

 

[2013Boss302]

It's his opinion, based on the comparisons he has personally done.

his opinion was that the intake tube made no differance.

He said the the Manifold and intake made 0 gains over the CJ manifold and intake.

 

[19COBRA93]

there is a lot of retained heat since it is mild steel and not aluminum. My intake is cool within 5 minutes of popping the hood even after being driven on a 90 degree day.

I have issue with this. Aluminum transfers heat a lot faster than mild steel. So it's constantly sucking up engine bay heat and transferring it right to your cool intake air. Mild steel transfers heat much slower, so in fact, less heat makes it into your intake air when running mild steel, stainless, or plastic, when compared with aluminum.

 

[Kenaizer]

his opinion was that the intake tube made no differance.

He said the the Manifold and intake made 0 gains over the CJ manifold and intake.

Yeah, from his experience. I guess I don't understand how we're at an impasse.

 

[2013Boss302]

all I asked was if he had some sort of proof for his theory.

tons of people have done these mods and gained noticeable power.

So for him to say he noticed ZERO gains i'm just curious.

I don't see anything wrong with my question.

 

[Grabber Blue 5.0]

all I asked was if he had some sort of proof for his theory.

tons of people have done these mods and gained noticeable power.

So for him to say he noticed ZERO gains i'm just curious.

I don't see anything wrong with my question.

Well when he says 0 gains he's referring to track results which he tried for a number of months in his testing. Not dyno numbers. Brett could care less about dyno numbers.

 

[kdanner]

Do you have any data to back up your claim that the Rev Auto causes issues? Granted, it is SVTP but they are very popular on there and have not read of issues with them.

Just observations, there's a lot of those on cars out there and I don't see a one setting the world on fire with it. Can say the same thing too about all those MT-82 transmissions they do. Lots of talk about how great it is, if it's so great where are the cars kicking ass with them? At face value I see a place that doesn't even have a website, seems to regularly be unable to keep the telephone turned on, but lots of internet hype.

 

[2013Boss302]

Well when he says 0 gains he's referring to track results which he tried for a number of months in his testing. Not dyno numbers. Brett could care less about dyno numbers.

Thank you for clearing that up.

When he said Gains I thought he meant power numbers.

 

[Kenaizer]

Thank you for clearing that up.

When he said Gains I thought he meant power numbers.

Ahh I got you now. Haha, I think my brain has decided to stop thinking critically today.