New Whipple Intake by ST Motorsports TESTED!

[cheftjpeck]

very very nice.....do they make one of those intakes for a saleen? awesome numbers though...dang...love that whipple sound

 

[MSgt46270]

very very nice.....do they make one of those intakes for a saleen? awesome numbers though...dang...love that whipple sound

John (Tiny) now has a Saleen S/C in his car and Adam will be using his car as a test bed for new intakes and so on. The questoon now is when will he start working on the Saleen stuff.

 

[psfracer]

So with the adjusted A/F back to a safe reading ...what will be the overall HP and TQ gain over the previous setup?

Not sure, but I don't think a 1/2 point in a/f will make that much of a difference. When I go to the track I may add 3% more fuel but I need to talk to Adam about that. I would like my a/f a 1/2 point lower, like around 11.5

Keep in mind though, we didn't touch the tune on purpose, because if we did then there would be those saying the horsepower increase came from adjusting the tune. So thats why we did it that way.

 

[Ken3030]

Nice job Paul!! That's a nice ride you got there. Can you say Sleeper.

 

[GT4Dino]

Not sure, but I don't think a 1/2 point in a/f will make that much of a difference. When I go to the track I may add 3% more fuel but I need to talk to Adam about that. I would like my a/f a 1/2 point lower, like around 11.5

Keep in mind though, we didn't touch the tune on purpose, because if we did then there would be those saying the horsepower increase came from adjusting the tune. So thats why we did it that way.

Paul, datalog your fuel pressure too!!!

 

[psfracer]

Yeah, when I go to Irwindale I am going to do that. My peak fuel pressure at Famoso was 59psi, so I will be watching that along with the wideband when I make the first few passes with this setup for sure. January 10th is looking like the first time to the track (because Irwindale is closed for the next two Thursdays I heard).

 

[psfracer]

Well, went out for an early Christmas drive.....had the 325/45/17 M&H DR's on, very light traffic, so I thought why not play a little...

This car with the street tune now blows the DR's off in 1st and 2nd. Mind you the M&H's were cold and I run them at 28psi on the street, but the car used to only spin them half way through first. This car may have a 10.3X in it---I don't know but it sure feels like it. I looked at the dyno graph again and there is a consistent 80ft-lb increase in torque from 5500 to 6500. We will see at the track what this means in ET, but man this thing runs hard.

 

[jsawyer]

Well, went out for an early Christmas drive.....had the 325/45/17 M&H DR's on, very light traffic, so I thought why not play a little...

This car with the street tune now blows the DR's off in 1st and 2nd. Mind you the M&H's were cold and I run them at 28psi on the street, but the car used to only spin them half way through first. This car may have a 10.3X in it---I don't know but it sure feels like it. I looked at the dyno graph again and there is a consistent 80ft-lb increase in torque from 5500 to 6500. We will see at the track what this means in ET, but man this thing runs hard.

Real nice! Ken and Brandi better take notice!

 

[tlt05gt]

Very Impressive Paul. Thanks for the information. When my car is finished you got heads up for $10.50 + burrito and nachos. Thats if you beat Brandi.....I wish you the best of luck because that chic can drive...lol

 

[MattP343]

Didn't read the whole thread but is there any indication on what this will cost in the future...I don't even have a whipple (YET) but this is on the top of my list for Future Mods Post-Whipple

Edit: I assume you could add this to a GT with stock internals in order to reduce Boost #s while increasing overall power numbers..In order to create a 'safer' street monster?

 

[psfracer]

Didn't read the whole thread but is there any indication on what this will cost in the future...I don't even have a whipple (YET) but this is on the top of my list for Future Mods Post-Whipple

Edit: I assume you could add this to a GT with stock internals in order to reduce Boost #s while increasing overall power numbers..In order to create a 'safer' street monster?

For pricing call Adam or John at ST

That would be an interesting test. I would probably say no because many regard the stock throttle body as not a restriction until 12psi. But I could be wrong and that would be interesting to test to see what gains there are.

 

[Grabber07']

I could be wrong here as well...but when you increase the inlet on the intake side...you actually increase boost......Increasing the flow in the exhaust side (ie Long tube headers) you actually create more power with less boost...am i correct?

 

[psfracer]

I have also heard of boost #'s dropping with a good set of ported heads---but the engine making the same or even more power, even with the lower boost numbers.

 

[94tbird]

im not sure if its a question of how much boost the engine can handle vs how much power and how high the RPMs go creating forces on the rods,pistons, ect

 

[JAFO]

More pictures:

Video will be up tomorrow---I have all dyno runs on one vid so its taking a while to upload.

this set up with the matching (body color) intake tube looks wicked sick. I am new to Mustangs, just got a 08 Saleen (not blown). I will be going with forced induction for sure. I see the Granatelli Turbo car and your Whipple car both have a tank where my battery sits now - what is that for and where does the battery end up.

 

[psfracer]

That is the ice box. You put ice and water into that, and the intercooler pump pumps cold water into the intake to cool intake air temperatures.

The battery ends up in the trunk.

 

[ZmanM3]

this set up with the matching (body color) intake tube looks wicked sick. I am new to Mustangs, just got a 08 Saleen (not blown). I will be going with forced induction for sure. I see the Granatelli Turbo car and your Whipple car both have a tank where my battery sits now - what is that for and where does the battery end up.

Welcome to the site!

 

[JAFO]

I have also heard of boost #'s dropping with a good set of ported heads---but the engine making the same or even more power, even with the lower boost numbers.

I learned this one in the old days, I had a 5.0 with a b trim Vortech. My car made 375 hp (don't laugh that was a lot then - remember 205hp was stock) at 13psi. I put TFS heads on it (back when TFS was Kris Kaufman and JBA) boost dropped all the way down to 10psi but power went to 418. We were all happy if a car could break into the 11's back then. I was one of the first to go 10.99999 by the skin of my teeth one night at Firebird Raceway. I was getting hi-5's for weeks. anyway better flowing heads means lower boost at the same blower (pulley) speed. With a turbo the waste gate makes up for the difference so boost is the same and therefore power gains are huge. here is an example - Back then the B trim Vortech was as big as they had. they were coming out with a R trim but it sucked on the street so I purchased a used turbo kit from texas turbo - they were really the only guys back then toying with turbo's for the Mustangs. The turbo kit 62mm, made 455 at 10psi and 550 at 13psi. I wish I could tell you what the Vortech would do but it could never get that hi at 60,000 impeller speed. That is all Vortech recommened

I don't remember which blower company had a whipple type kit (perhaps BBK) but it sucked. Kenne Bell came out with a kit at about that same time i was getting out of the Mustang scene. It sucked too. made sick power at a stop light then had to guts at the top

 

[JAFO]

That is the ice box. You put ice and water into that, and the intercooler pump pumps cold water into the intake to cool intake air temperatures.

The battery ends up in the trunk.

OK thanks - the Granatelli turbo kit says it has an air to air intercooler. I wonder if they have a water to air option? My car is an auto trans too. I hear I can make 600 crank and 525 at the tires on the stock motor an be safe. would you agree? I want a car that is stealth. I hear a Paxton is dead quiet but the Vortech and Procharger are loud and have no guts out of the hole. No matter what I read at any forum everyone says if you want a great running mod motor - you need a Twin Screw or Turbo. what confuses me (so here is my question coming) what really confuses me is why a lot of the twin screw guys agree that the turbo is the best combo yet they all run a twin screw but the few turbo guys that at out there are deadset loyal to a turbo.

I have no mod motor experience and fancy myself as an old timer that can tell you what just about every fast Mustang ran in their car from 1988 to 1998. Back then the roots like B&M, Kenne Bell ands Whipple where just junk ( no offence). They looked cool but required a hood scoop, made heaps of hot air so a lot of boost did not mean a lot of power and the packaging was a nightmare. Turbos were a bitch to install but ran great and the centrifugal fued between Paxton and Vortech ment we all got the best blowers coming down the pike very often. Hell by 1996-98 Procharger was coming on strong too.

today it seems like the centrifugal does not stand a chance. My 08 auto trans saleen feels "just ok" when I hammer it but has not so good passing power when it is hot out. Livning in Tempe AZ - that is just about every day. I need RELIABLE power so the wife does not bitch and it has to be quiet under the hood.

I really wanted to put a turbo on it becuase I was so happy with my old turbo 5.0 from 1986 but so many guys are pushing the twin screw idea, now I am confused - or should I say torn between two lovers

So I turn to you all for help - Objective help though.

maybe I should have just ponyed up the extra $1000 down and $55 a month for the factory option Sallen blower. I see Saleen cars running 10.9 time slips on tons of boards but the Whipple looks more beefy and the Turbo seemed like a option too - hell I am confused

 

[tehsleeper]

Get some twins.

Everyone says turbos are better because bottom line, turbos are way more efficient.

Granatelli has a long history on a lot of boards; for being a douchebag. I've personally never bought a thing from the guy after all of the garbage I see on the boards about the guy and his parts.