There isn't an S550 section on this forum yet (please make one, Kimmer!) so I'm going to plop this in Corner Carver section, hoping it is OK. I've been active on another handful of forums and social media streams today as everyone goes gaga over the 2015 Mustang. Lots of lust, lots of hate, and a lot of confusion. This is not "my thread", and I'm hoping we can all discuss the emerging info about the new Mustang here, mainly having to do with suspension and power (aka: the Corner Carving stuff). If you learn something, please add it here. 
Since this is Corner Carvers section, let's ignore whether you think it is ugly or pretty and talk here about the changes to the suspension and V8 power (personally I could care less about the carryover V6 or 305hp Ecoboost 4... neither will hold a candle on a road course to the improved 5.0 V8, sorry). I found the best pictures showing the changes to the suspension and 5.0 motor in this Augoblog article's gallery: http://www.autoblog.com/2013/12/05/2015-ford-mustang-official-photos-reveal-info/
Our photochopped 2015 Mustang showing lowered stance and Forgestar F14 wheels. Original image from TIME magazine
The shape of the images in that gallery was funky and hard to analyze, so I have recropped and rearranged the info about the suspension and 5.0 engine into these 4 pictures, which can each be clicked for larger versions. I have some initial comments about each picture below it.
Front suspension looks to be completely new, with no carryover parts. The strut tops, struts, lower control arms and spindle are all different. Gone are the beer can sized front LCA bushings but in the place of the 1-piece arm is now a 2-piece arrangement.
Obviously the rear suspension has gone from a live axle to IRS, and this rendering of the set-up shows us that it is a modern 5 link system with toe control. Will it work or will it suck? Hard to say from pictures alone. Initially I had no idea where this came from but we've since figured it out. The rear upper shock mounts is a weird 2-bolts-thru-the-side mount, which I suspect could be a clue about where this comes form.
There looks to be some changes to the 5.0 engine - with the best parts of the Coyote and Boss302 motors kept - and luckily they've kept the Coyote intake manifold, which from our testing makes more power than the admittedly better looking Boss302 manifold at all RPM levels below 6500. The dreaded Boss302 engine oil "heater" (aka: "oil cooler") seems to be on this engine, however, so we will be working on a fix for that early on. This system is somewhat crude and uses radiator coolant through a sandwich plate above the oil filter to "cool" the oil. It works terribly in the 5.0 track pack and Boss302 engines, but maybe they got it right on the 2015?
New high flow ports sounds promising, as does the large camshaft profiles, so long as they didn't kill the lower RPM power that the Coyote 5.0 is so good at. Forged crankshaft and sintered rods are a carryover from what I can see but larger valves and stiffer valve springs sound like an upgrade. Looks like the same tubular steel shorty header carries over as well.
Nobody has a solid power number for the "new" 5.0 other than "it will make more than 420hp/390tq", which is what the 2013-14 model GT motors made. Like the C7 Corvette I suspect that the Ford drivetrain engineers will be tweaking the final engine and tuning package until weeks before production and we won't know the final power number until just before ordering starts. I suspect it will be rated around 440-450 hp, but don't quote me because that's just a guess based on what Ford has done in the past when introducing a new model but with a mostly carry over engine. This car will have the same MT-82 Getrag 6-speed, as our Tremec rep told us they didn't get the bid for the GT. But we're hopeful that there will be a Tremec Magnum XL direct shift transmission in the "Voodoo" powered version in the future...
Of course when Vorshlag gets our hands on a car it will be weighed, measured, dyno'd and tracked tested - starting within minutes of delivery.
- First, this article from Muscle Mustangs and Fast Fords has the best tech of any of the 15+ I have read in the past 48 hours.
- I've been stashing pics in a 2015 Mustang gallery, located here: http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/Projects/Vorshlag-2015-Mustang-Build/
Since this is Corner Carvers section, let's ignore whether you think it is ugly or pretty and talk here about the changes to the suspension and V8 power (personally I could care less about the carryover V6 or 305hp Ecoboost 4... neither will hold a candle on a road course to the improved 5.0 V8, sorry). I found the best pictures showing the changes to the suspension and 5.0 motor in this Augoblog article's gallery: http://www.autoblog.com/2013/12/05/2015-ford-mustang-official-photos-reveal-info/
Our photochopped 2015 Mustang showing lowered stance and Forgestar F14 wheels. Original image from TIME magazine
The shape of the images in that gallery was funky and hard to analyze, so I have recropped and rearranged the info about the suspension and 5.0 engine into these 4 pictures, which can each be clicked for larger versions. I have some initial comments about each picture below it.
Front suspension looks to be completely new, with no carryover parts. The strut tops, struts, lower control arms and spindle are all different. Gone are the beer can sized front LCA bushings but in the place of the 1-piece arm is now a 2-piece arrangement.
Obviously the rear suspension has gone from a live axle to IRS, and this rendering of the set-up shows us that it is a modern 5 link system with toe control. Will it work or will it suck? Hard to say from pictures alone. Initially I had no idea where this came from but we've since figured it out. The rear upper shock mounts is a weird 2-bolts-thru-the-side mount, which I suspect could be a clue about where this comes form.
There looks to be some changes to the 5.0 engine - with the best parts of the Coyote and Boss302 motors kept - and luckily they've kept the Coyote intake manifold, which from our testing makes more power than the admittedly better looking Boss302 manifold at all RPM levels below 6500. The dreaded Boss302 engine oil "heater" (aka: "oil cooler") seems to be on this engine, however, so we will be working on a fix for that early on. This system is somewhat crude and uses radiator coolant through a sandwich plate above the oil filter to "cool" the oil. It works terribly in the 5.0 track pack and Boss302 engines, but maybe they got it right on the 2015?
New high flow ports sounds promising, as does the large camshaft profiles, so long as they didn't kill the lower RPM power that the Coyote 5.0 is so good at. Forged crankshaft and sintered rods are a carryover from what I can see but larger valves and stiffer valve springs sound like an upgrade. Looks like the same tubular steel shorty header carries over as well.
Nobody has a solid power number for the "new" 5.0 other than "it will make more than 420hp/390tq", which is what the 2013-14 model GT motors made. Like the C7 Corvette I suspect that the Ford drivetrain engineers will be tweaking the final engine and tuning package until weeks before production and we won't know the final power number until just before ordering starts. I suspect it will be rated around 440-450 hp, but don't quote me because that's just a guess based on what Ford has done in the past when introducing a new model but with a mostly carry over engine. This car will have the same MT-82 Getrag 6-speed, as our Tremec rep told us they didn't get the bid for the GT. But we're hopeful that there will be a Tremec Magnum XL direct shift transmission in the "Voodoo" powered version in the future...
Of course when Vorshlag gets our hands on a car it will be weighed, measured, dyno'd and tracked tested - starting within minutes of delivery.
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NASA Eastern States Championship at Road Atlanta is August 29-31st, with a test event August 1-3rd. Yikes, that is gonna be too tight...
