why are the gains with hot rod cams so inconsistent?

[Viperbluelx]

I see some threads where people say to go with hot rod cams for the sound only because they don't gain any power, then I'll see another thread where someone swapped in hot rod cams and gained 30rwhp n/a. So why isn't there a consistent gain? Is it the tuner or are the cams not always ground to spec?

 

[CMK720]

Because every car is different.

 

[BruceH]

Some tuners know about the retard FRPP suggests and some don't.

http://www.fordracingparts.com/download/instructionsheets/FordInstShtM-6550-3V.pdf

 

[yellowjohn1]

There was another thread recently that discussed this exact thing. Tuners chimed in about the reasoning.

 

[Viperbluelx]

There was another thread recently that discussed this exact thing. Tuners chimed in about the reasoning.

Link?

 

[CMK720]

SEARCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Blacksmoke]

We had the Hot Rods with long tubes and a high flow catted x.

I can tell you a tune DOES make a big difference.
We had ours tuned and gained 40RWHP with the exhaust upgrade included.

If someone gained NOTHING then they HAD to of not received a tune....
or got a really crappy one lol

 

[Franchi]

A lot has to do with supporting mods too.

Bolt cams on to a pure stock car with a tune vrs bolting them on to a S197 with delete plates, long tube headers, offroad h or x, ect ect

 

[fdjizm]

Some tuners know about the retard FRPP suggests and some don't.

http://www.fordracingparts.com/download/instructionsheets/FordInstShtM-6550-3V.pdf

^this...


Read page 2.

 

[UltraKla$$ic]

Some tuners know about the retard FRPP suggests and some don't.

http://www.fordracingparts.com/download/instructionsheets/FordInstShtM-6550-3V.pdf

^this...


Read page 2.

I think mine are retarded! Does that count?

 

[Viperbluelx]

A lot has to do with supporting mods too.

Bolt cams on to a pure stock car with a tune vrs bolting them on to a S197 with delete plates, long tube headers, offroad h or x, ect ect

A buddy of mine did the hot rod cams, FRPP intake, pypes long tubes, X-pipe, and a custom dyno tune and it made 304rwhp. Needless to say he was disappointed but he never got a base line dyno to see what it made before the mods, maybe his was built on a Friday.

 

[Franchi]

If that was a Mustang dyno that would sound about right numbers wise. But if now, well that blows. lol

 

[Viperbluelx]

Dynojet 248, they tuned another S197 same day with longtubes, stock intake, stock cams but most of the other bolt-ons and it made 300rwhp, so yeah he was pretty tore up.

 

[TheKurgan]

A buddy of mine did the hot rod cams, FRPP intake, pypes long tubes, X-pipe, and a custom dyno tune and it made 304rwhp. Needless to say he was disappointed but he never got a base line dyno to see what it made before the mods, maybe his was built on a Friday.

My first question would be about other FRPP cars that he has tuned. That's the only way I'd buy it being down on power to begin with. If the tuner is seeing 330rwhp on other cars with that setup then yeah I'd say it's a factory slug....otherwise he's not a very good tuner.

 

[Wlkn Tal]

From what I've heard not all cars/ engines are the same. A friend of mine and I have the same year GT (2008) and the same mods, but I was getting 10RWHP more. I have FRPP cams, Steeda MDP, BBK CAI, Roush UDP, O/R H Pipe and FRPP cat back ( swith to magnaflow). With cutom tune turned out 325rwhp and 335rwtq. Cams do make the car sound great, but they don't do much for HP. Of course I just purchased a Whipple so most of this parts are going away.

 

[Kadorja]

My Hot rods, Steeda CAI and offroad H with a dyno tune landed me at 305whp and 307wtq. Landed me some decent HP but not so much TQ.

I'll see what the long tubes and CMDPs get me once I get them installed.

 

[remainvayne]

All in the tune & I do believe some cars are higher while some are lower.

I have headers, O/R mid, CMDPs, JLT, & Hot Rods. On Sutton's dyno I came in at 340rwhp & 329 tq. The guy did say that's one of the highest he's seen for my mods, but I believe a lot of that is from BBR's tune.

 

[Blacksmoke]

My Hot rods, Steeda CAI and offroad H with a dyno tune landed me at 305whp and 307wtq. Landed me some decent HP but not so much TQ.

I'll see what the long tubes and CMDPs get me once I get them installed.

Long tubes will give you about another 12-15RWHP with the cams.
Like I said I gained 40RWHP with cams and long tubes.

Everyone I know that put on either the hot rods or the detroit rockers with long tubes and a tune got around the same numbers.

Notice in most advertisements it will say what they gained WITH long tubes. They are pretty important as a supporting mod for cams.

If anyone got a much lower number, either you did not get a tune, got a bad tune, or did not instal long tubes with the setup

 

[SirKnightTG]

SEARCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I can't tell you how much I hate this snobby unhelpful reply.

So what search parameters should one use to find that thread without having to wade through tons of results all day?

 

[Blacksmoke]

I can't tell you how much I hate this snobby unhelpful reply.

So what search parameters should one use to find that thread without having to wade through tons of results all day?

I'm gonna have to agree with you there.
It's almost like people make those remarks JUST to be that way.

It's not like its a boatload of trouble to help someone.
If SEARCH was the reply every time we asked for help, there would in fact
be no help to friggin' search.