Anyone using Meth?? (not the drug)

[JA BoostedSTANG]

I am running a 50/50 mix of water/meth on my non intercooled vortech t-trim 06 GT @ 24PSI with IATs of 114 @ 7400.

My old setup was a tuner s-trim kit @ 8PSI with a snow stage 2 making 470rwhp with only an axle back & charge motion plates.

I have been running meth for almost a year with great results.

Now...you are already close to the limit on your stock block. It will give you extra insurance that your IATs stay low and give you a huge bump in octaine which is a plus. You will need a retune because there is no way you can just spray meth without it. Your A/F will be way too rich once the progressive controler starts letting the meth flow. Make sure your relocate your IAT sensor into the manifold to get the most out of that kit. You could even play with the timing to give you some more bottom end out of that vortech kit.

Thats some pretty crazy power on you s trim kit, I know I can bump up the timing a little but say i just change the timing a little and it helps the iat temps a little and i get around 520 whp vs my now 484whp am I going to be running the stock block even harder or is it about the same since my iats will be low and no detonatation or increased boost?

 

[06BBR]

Thats some pretty crazy power on you s trim kit, I know I can bump up the timing a little but say i just change the timing a little and it helps the iat temps a little and i get around 520 whp vs my now 484whp am I going to be running the stock block even harder or is it about the same since my iats will be low and no detonatation or increased boost?

If it were my car I'd bump the timing alot in the mid-range and just a little bit up top knowing that detonation "shouldn't" be a problem with the meth setup. Your effective octaine rating with the meth injection is well over 115 on a 50/50 mix. And when that aftercooler gets heat soaked you will be still pushing that motor like it was 30 degrees outside.

 

[Big Top Gt]

So now my question is with my setup and stock block is it even worth putting out the cash to get a setup installed and retuned? or should I put my money towards something else like cams?

For the money you spend vs. the gains you're going to get, cams are the biggest waste of money in the modular world.

You can go buy a Vortech blower for the same money as it'll cost you for a cam swap. It's ridiculous. (I know you have one, I'm just saying.)

The meth kit works sort of like a wide band 02 sensor. In this case, it's reading your MAF signal from 0 to 5 volts. It sprays the meth according to the MAF demand for air.

More air requires more fuel, which requires more meth.

 

[06BBR]

For the money you spend vs. the gains you're going to get, cams are the biggest waste of money in the modular world.

You can go buy a Vortech blower for the same money as it'll cost you for a cam swap. It's ridiculous. (I know you have one, I'm just saying.)

The meth kit works sort of like a wide band 02 sensor. In this case, it's reading your MAF signal from 0 to 5 volts. It sprays the meth according to the MAF demand for air.

More air requires more fuel, which requires more meth.

The snow kit can also be setup in boost reference mode which is how I setup mine. Starts at 5psi on snow's progressive controller till it reaches 100% @ 16PSI.

You can also upgrade your S-Trim to a T-Trim for 600 bucks

 

[ZmanM3]

 

[Eric298]

The snow kit can also be setup in boost reference mode which is how I setup mine. Starts at 5psi on snow's progressive controller till it reaches 100% @ 16PSI.

You can also upgrade your S-Trim to a T-Trim for 600 bucks

This sounds interesting and could make for a very nasty street setup sounds like atleast. Do you want to elaborate a little bit on this and how it you have it set up?

 

[Eric298]

Thats some pretty crazy power on you s trim kit, I know I can bump up the timing a little but say i just change the timing a little and it helps the iat temps a little and i get around 520 whp vs my now 484whp am I going to be running the stock block even harder or is it about the same since my iats will be low and no detonatation or increased boost?

On these engines it seems to be the rods that go so its not a matter of boost that splits the block its a matter of how much power is being made atleast from what I can see from other people making windows in their engine blocks and that magical number seems to be around the 500 rwhp mark depending on the tune i suppose. I guess a little more for a turbo since you dont have the drag on the engine sacraficing RWHP. That power just cripples the rod and then boom. Our stock rods are the weakness of the engine atleast from what I see when people blow their engines.

IMHO I say stick with what you have 484 at the wheels is definetly not SLOW! And think about this how would you feel if your rolling down the highway get on the gas then boom no more engine.... Do you have the money to replace and can afford the downtime of a blown engine before you replace it?
ask yourself those questions and if you got the cash for a shortblock and can afford blowing it and the downtime of not having your stang then shyt have at it but if you dont... IMO dont push it past what you have now until you upgrade those internals.

 

[JA BoostedSTANG]

On these engines it seems to be the rods that go so its not a matter of boost that splits the block its a matter of how much power is being made atleast from what I can see from other people making windows in their engine blocks and that magical number seems to be around the 500 rwhp mark depending on the tune i suppose. I guess a little more for a turbo since you dont have the drag on the engine sacraficing RWHP. That power just cripples the rod and then boom. Our stock rods are the weakness of the engine atleast from what I see when people blow their engines.

IMHO I say stick with what you have 484 at the wheels is definetly not SLOW! And think about this how would you feel if your rolling down the highway get on the gas then boom no more engine.... Do you have the money to replace and can afford the downtime of a blown engine before you replace it?
ask yourself those questions and if you got the cash for a shortblock and can afford blowing it and the downtime of not having your stang then shyt have at it but if you dont... IMO dont push it past what you have now until you upgrade those internals.

Well I am getting the snow kit regardless, I am just trying to decided if I want to install it. And yes I mean i have the money for a new motor but do I want to spend it? of course not, My car is only driven maybe 75 miles a week so I can afford the down time but I still dont want to blow my motor, this summer I am actually planning to put forged internals in my stock block, upgraded rods etc so I may just let the kit sit in my garage for a few months until after I put the forged internals in it. I dunno hell..

 

[Androdz]

On these engines it seems to be the rods that go so its not a matter of boost that splits the block its a matter of how much power is being made atleast from what I can see from other people making windows in their engine blocks and that magical number seems to be around the 500 rwhp mark depending on the tune i suppose. I guess a little more for a turbo since you dont have the drag on the engine sacraficing RWHP. That power just cripples the rod and then boom. Our stock rods are the weakness of the engine atleast from what I see when people blow their engines.

IMHO I say stick with what you have 484 at the wheels is definetly not SLOW! And think about this how would you feel if your rolling down the highway get on the gas then boom no more engine.... Do you have the money to replace and can afford the downtime of a blown engine before you replace it?
ask yourself those questions and if you got the cash for a shortblock and can afford blowing it and the downtime of not having your stang then shyt have at it but if you dont... IMO dont push it past what you have now until you upgrade those internals.

Your engine could care less how much rwhp it is making. Or does your engine has its own internal dynometer where it says ooooh oooooh approaching 500rwhp take cover!!!! It is more about how much pressure is inside the combustion chamber and how much force the rods are being suppresed to. There have been engines that let go at 384whp with a what could be interpreted as a safe tune. More than anything RPM kills rods and so does a detonation. Hell a dude snapped a rod by just reving his engine up, how much power was he making? How much load was he succepting his engine to? Hell I wont push a stock engine over 450 if I dont have $ or the time to replace it. A high speed, high sustained rpm race will kill a rod much faster than a 1/4 mile pass. Thats why the death of so many cobras were street racing vs supras and such. Lets not even get on road racing lol

Andrew

 

[06BBR]

This sounds interesting and could make for a very nasty street setup sounds like atleast. Do you want to elaborate a little bit on this and how it you have it set up?

I have 2 nozzles(625 ml/min and 225 ml/min) right before the throttle body. I mix my own 50/50 mixture of Methanol and distilled water. Costs about 2.50 a gallon when I do it myself and will last awhile. I can go roughly a week (550 miles long commute to work) on a gallon in my meth tank. I don't run race fuel, just 93 octane pump gas with no additives. My IATs are pulled from the sensor relocated to the manifold runner.

I am using a Snow Performance Stage 2 kit with a dual nozzle upgrade. Its boost sensitive and comes on only when I am under load so I could make the methanol last if i really wanted to. But I can't!

My fuel system is pretty lame too, GT500 pumps and a Dual BAP. Stock Fuel Lines and Fuel Rails. Nothing fancy. I am at 79% duty cycle and still have a little room to grow.

 

[JA BoostedSTANG]

last question my fuel pump was pretty much maxed out before if I were to try and put meth on would I need more fuel delivery or no?

 

[06BBR]

last question my fuel pump was pretty much maxed out before if I were to try and put meth on would I need more fuel delivery or no?

You should reduce some of the load on that setup as you will need to lean out your a/f without the meth. If you want to be really safe grab a BAP.

 

[JA BoostedSTANG]

You should reduce some of the load on that setup as you will need to lean out your a/f without the meth. If you want to be really safe grab a BAP.

Thanks BBR you helped a lot! are you a vendor? If so help me find some forged rods and pistons! lol

 

[06BBR]

Thanks BBR you helped a lot! are you a vendor? If so help me find some forged rods and pistons! lol

I'm not a vendor, just a big fan of BBR. They do all my work and have an excellent staff. It's very bad that they are just 1 mile from my job.

 

[Eric298]

Your engine could care less how much rwhp it is making. Or does your engine has its own internal dynometer where it says ooooh oooooh approaching 500rwhp take cover!!!! It is more about how much pressure is inside the combustion chamber and how much force the rods are being suppresed to. There have been engines that let go at 384whp with a what could be interpreted as a safe tune. More than anything RPM kills rods and so does a detonation. Hell a dude snapped a rod by just reving his engine up, how much power was he making? How much load was he succepting his engine to? Hell I wont push a stock engine over 450 if I dont have $ or the time to replace it. A high speed, high sustained rpm race will kill a rod much faster than a 1/4 mile pass. Thats why the death of so many cobras were street racing vs supras and such. Lets not even get on road racing lol

Andrew

I didnt know that the pressure exerted inside the combustion chamber and force applied as result was not related to rwhp.........

 

[SteveP]

I'm running the Snow Stage 2 kit and love it!!! I gained 30hp to the wheels. Only thing I did is run it a lot and now I think the pump is dying.
One thing I recommend is buying the SafeInjection system. This tells the car if the meth isn't running prop and shuts the boost down so you don't do any damage.

 

[06BBR]

I'm running the Snow Stage 2 kit and love it!!! I gained 30hp to the wheels. Only thing I did is run it a lot and now I think the pump is dying.
One thing I recommend is buying the SafeInjection system. This tells the car if the meth isn't running prop and shuts the boost down so you don't do any damage.

I don't think that is really needed as long as the IAT sensor is relocated to the manifold runner. If the temps get high the tune will save the motor.

 

[JA BoostedSTANG]

I'm running the Snow Stage 2 kit and love it!!! I gained 30hp to the wheels. Only thing I did is run it a lot and now I think the pump is dying.
One thing I recommend is buying the SafeInjection system. This tells the car if the meth isn't running prop and shuts the boost down so you don't do any damage.

what s/c setup are you running?