Bad Sellers

[1SonicGT]

So this isn't really a bad seller deal more like a issue of someone being shady. I agreed to purchase abarkers procharger kit and after a few back and forth Pm's I sent him the cash we agreed on via paypal. Well he refused the initial payment due to the paypal fee being taken out. It was like 87$ and after discussing with him that I only had a certain amount of money I could spend he said he would just eat the paypal fee. I then tried to send him the money again but since he refunded it back to me paypal put a hold on my account for 72 hours I told him when it cleared I would send him the money again and he said ok well 3-5 days wait is fine with him. I assumed everything was ok. This occured on the 12th. On the 13th I texted him asking a couple of questions since I was ordering my tune and plugs and needed a few specs on the kit. he gave me all the info and I assumed that all was well. This morning when I woke up I saw that the hold had been released and I text him to make sure he was aware I was going to send the money to him and if he could send out the kit today. He hasn't answered any of my texts and It took me looking up his for sale thread to see he sold it to someone else without mentioning to me he did. When I looked at the thread he stated on the 12th that we were having paypal difficulties and was putting the kit back up for sale. He then sold it the same day , aka the 12th, without letting me know. When I talked to him on the 13th he never mentioned he sold the kit. This is a shady deal and I am now out $400 for a tune for a procharger kit that he sold to someone else. Giving everyone a heads up.

 

[scramblr]

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[VTXFrank]

Wall of text from hell.....

I made it through your post. Now I have a headache.

Still, that IS pretty fucked up. I'd be pissed off as hell too.

 

[1SonicGT]

Made the text bigger so its a little easier to read.

 

[whtcanbrwnd04u]

So you only had a certain amount of money you could spend, but than you went ahead and bought $400 worth of parts? I understand you needed the tune and injectors to run the kit, but they could have waited after you bought it. All in all, that wasn't right of him to do but it's not the biggest deal in the world either...JMO.

 

[cwhit23]

well , I about bought this kit from him awhile back, he seemed legit, but I feel it's wrong to sell it out from under someone . Especially if it was said you were going to re-send the money. That's pretty much fucked up imo. As far as the 400 bucks you spent, thats just a lesson learned I suppose. But I would be pissed for the fact he sold it out from under me. He didn't scam you or anything, but I know now not to buy from him. Thanks for the heads up. Another reason I'm just going to buy my supercharger new. Especially after my deal with buying a crank from here.

 

[08Eleanor]

As much as the situation sucks for the buyer, I don't feel that waiting for someone to pay is mandatory even if you've told them you will wait for them. If a deposit is made then it's a different situation however.

If someone strings you along like they are going to buy your item and don't, it sucks to have told another potential buyer no, and lose out on potentially selling an item.

I agree that given the circumstances, the buyer was doing anything and everything to pay the seller for the pro charger. Seeing as how the buyer and seller disagreed in regards to the PayPal fees, which I can understand, I don't feel it is the sellers fault for selling it to someone else.

Likely that other person was willing to send it without fees or to pay for the fees themselves. If a buyer came along and offered to pay you $87 more wouldn't you want to take it? Regardless of whatever "promises" we're made, the seller has a right to sell it to whoever they want. Clearly you "could not afford" the $87 in fees and someone came in and probably did pay them.

Don't get mad just because someone swooped on the deal when you essentially "fell through" as a buyer by not offering to pay fees. I think it would be suspicious however if the seller promised you the item and promised to eat the fees before hand, but not midway through the deal, and sold it to someone else anyways.

He clearly was expecting it to be without fees and when you refused to pay it, he looked elsewhere, and in record time was able to find someone who wanted it more than you.

I hate to be a dick but get over it, don't blame the seller just because you didnt want to send the extra $87 that the seller was asking for...I agree the situation sucks, but it does not give you the right to bad mouth him in this thread IMO!

 

[JEWC_Motorsports]

As much as the situation sucks for the buyer, I don't feel that waiting for someone to pay is mandatory even if you've told them you will wait for them. If a deposit is made then it's a different situation however.

If someone strings you along like they are going to buy your item and don't, it sucks to have told another potential buyer no, and lose out on potentially selling an item.

I agree that given the circumstances, the buyer was doing anything and everything to pay the seller for the pro charger. Seeing as how the buyer and seller disagreed in regards to the PayPal fees, which I can understand, I don't feel it is the sellers fault for selling it to someone else.

Likely that other person was willing to send it without fees or to pay for the fees themselves. If a buyer came along and offered to pay you $87 more wouldn't you want to take it? Regardless of whatever "promises" we're made, the seller has a right to sell it to whoever they want. Clearly you "could not afford" the $87 in fees and someone came in and probably did pay them.

Don't get mad just because someone swooped on the deal when you essentially "fell through" as a buyer by not offering to pay fees. I think it would be suspicious however if the seller promised you the item and promised to eat the fees before hand, but not midway through the deal, and sold it to someone else anyways.

He clearly was expecting it to be without fees and when you refused to pay it, he looked elsewhere, and in record time was able to find someone who wanted it more than you.

I hate to be a dick but get over it, don't blame the seller just because you didnt want to send the extra $87 that the seller was asking for...I agree the situation sucks, but it does not give you the right to bad mouth him in this thread IMO!

Actually this is exactly why this thread was created. If the two parties agreed on a price then it's a done deal imo. I guess in your world a person's word means nothing.

 

[skwerl]

Changing the terms of the deal after the money has been sent is a douchebag thing to do. Both buyer and seller need to be in full agreement on terms of the deal before sending money.

 

[cwhit23]

^ agree, and as I think paypal fees are stupid to charge anyway. Build it in your price, thats what I do when I sell. Rather than ask for gift or up the price at the time someone is getting ready to pay. 99 times out 100 if thats what happens I don't buy. It just irks me

That being said, the seller has a right to ask for it, but the situation at hands lends, to the fact, he was 87 bucks short, the seller refunded the money, dude said he would resend it as soon as paypal released the hold, seller says cool, buyer gets money released, seller said, oh it's already sold now sorry.. He should've never said it was cool to resend the money.. I think thats where the issue lies.

 

[stkjock]

if seller expects buy to cover PP fees, that needs to be part of the ad, to sell out from under a guy who sent you the money and you refunded it... IMO that's crap!

08Elenaor - IMO you're totally off with your support of the seller

 

[08Eleanor]

I'm not necessarily taking sides with the seller.

I'm just saying that the buyer did not meet the sellers requirements. However in this case it seems as though the seller did in fact tell the buyer he would in fact eat the fees and then proceed to sell it to someone else.

Pp fees suck, I don't think anyone will disagree with that.

I just think that if a buyer refuses to pay them when the seller is expecting them to, then he has the right to sell it to someone else that will...

I do agree that it was not reputable to tell the buyer that it is fine and he will eat the fees but then up and sell it to someone else, but it's because he wanted the full payment and didn't receive it.

Everyone is right, he should have told the buyer it wasn't ok and he wanted the full payment or nothing. I didn't read that right the first time. Regardless, I still feel that it isn't fair to bad mouth the seller when in actuality that procharger would be on the way to your house if you just clarified the deal terms before hand and either agreed to pay fees or worked it out with the seller BEFORE sending the original payment.

The fact that you spent $400 on other parts just proves you didn't want to pony up the extra $87...

I think this is a clear lesson in working out deal terms BEFORE sending any money.

 

[08calspecial]

But he agreed to eat the paypal fees before he sold it to someone else.

 

[08Eleanor]

But he agreed to eat the paypal fees before he sold it to someone else.

Yeah, I didn't read that right the first time hence why I posted a second response above clarifying that I do not agree it is ok to promise you will hold it after telling the buyer he would in fact eat the fees.

 

[weather man]

Couple of observations on selling/buying...

Some people will tell you things are hunky dory to avoid conflict, and then stop talking to you when they buy or sell. Seen it more time than I can tell you.

Seen a lot of sales threads where the guy says sold, then puts a plaintive post out saying the shit is still for sale.

The more complicated a deal gets, the more likely it will fail.

The truism "money talks, bullshit walks" is used by more than a few online sellers who have been burned.

 

[GrabberBlue5.0]

Yup, both parties agreed that it was ok for buyer to eat fees and agreed on a price, a gentlemens agreement if you will, and he backed out... Bad seller IMO.

As mentioned above, I build PP fees AND shipping (to the lower 48) into my prices


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[08Eleanor]

Couple of observations on selling/buying...

Some people will tell you things are hunky dory to avoid conflict, and then stop talking to you when they buy or sell. Seen it more time than I can tell you.

Seen a lot of sales threads where the guy says sold, then puts a plaintive post out saying the shit is still for sale.

The more complicated a deal gets, the more likely it will fail.

The truism "money talks, bullshit walks" is used by more than a few online sellers who have been burned.

I couldn't agree more. I am a very reputable seller and many ppl will agree.

I just get frustrated when people keep telling you there going to buy something and keep stringing you along only to back out at the last minute. I dont mind when someone has some questions about an item for sale, that is expected, but on more than one occasion someone has asked me a ton of questions, to which I have responded to, and then tells you they are going to buy it, then you magically don't hear from them ever again.

Hence why I was so quick to post the first response without reading the op's post fully.

FYI I would never do this to a buyer bc i would get the deal terms straight first...

Going to shut up now lol

 

[JCCNY]

if seller expects buy to cover PP fees, that needs to be part of the ad, to sell out from under a guy who sent you the money and you refunded it... IMO that's crap!

08Elenaor - IMO you're totally off with your support of the seller

Maybe there should be a stated rule that the seller absorbs the paypal fee unless otherwise noted. No matter how much we want to trust, the buyer takes a risk to gift the payment.

 

[cwhit23]

^Thats not a bad idea, like I said, I always just add it to my price, that way it's an easy transaction. price stated is price paid, done deal. - and has been stated, I and no one should ever gift money. Terrible idea. Easiest way to get burned with no recourse.

 

[Sprayin Blue 3V]

When I bought something off a guy here and I didn't click I would cover the fees (I agreed to) he sent me a message telling me and i fixed it. No need to refund the money and have to reissue payment.

I think the problem was the seller refunding the money without even contacting the buyer. Talk before you just do things.