dontlifttoshift
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For those that have driven both, is this car a bazillion times better than an s197? Stock base GT, PP 2015 car better than coilover/spring/sway bars S197? Autocross, track day, daily driver duty. Serious question.
For those that have driven both, is this car a bazillion times better than an s197? Stock base GT, PP 2015 car better than coilover/spring/sway bars S197? Autocross, track day, daily driver duty. Serious question.
For those that have driven both, is this car a bazillion times better than an s197? Stock base GT, PP 2015 car better than coilover/spring/sway bars S197? Autocross, track day, daily driver duty. Serious question.
I'm going to say yes. How do I judge this? In a BONE stock, down to the brake fluid stock, I rode along for a few laps with Terry at Eagle's Canyon in Texas. He came within a second of my best time on 295 Rivals, with AST's, and good brakes, and control arms, seats, Torsen, yada yada yada. We S197 people, are, what's the phrase....royally fucked I'm afraid.
What did Terry run in your car?
Hasn't driven it. Based on times people have done in cars similar to mine...there's not a ton left in it. maybe a second, maybe 2. But the fact that he was as close as he was, coupled with a couple autocross results we've been seeing pop up, is scary.
It is ridiculously hard to compare times between drivers, especially on different days at different times. At best, it is a poor representation, at worst it doesn't represent anything. I suspect Terry has a lot more seat time in a multitude of cars in various motorsport disciplines than you have, is that a correct assessment?
Not that he'd ever do it, but I'm 99% sure Terry would probably be faster in my car after a few rounds than I would be just because he has a lot more seat time driving cars in anger than I do.
You still can't deny that it's impressive. I watched our cam-c winner at the last event get beat by .2 raw time by a bone stock 2015 PP car in F street. Cam winning car has mcs coil-overs and 295 rivals all around. Granted it was trying to mist in our heat with cool temps and cloud cover and in the 4th heat when F street ran the sun had come out and warmed up substantially. I was impressed.
Ehh... A well prepped car driven by a crappy driver isn't necessarily going to be as fast as a mediocre prepped car driven by a great driver.
let's just say i don't regret for one minute getting rear ended, having my S197 written off, and ending up in an S550Boardkat, Fair, anything to add?
CAM car had a good driver. We don't know the FS guy. I'm not sure why you're on a crusade against the s550 (been talking to kcbrown too much? I kid....) , but it is impressive, and fast, especially considering the lack of mods out for it yet. It will eventually eat the s197's lunch.
I'm not on a crusade, I just don't think we should be making leaps to the extreme without actually getting a decent test result back. A bad driver in a prepped car getting beat by a good driver in an ok prepped car is not a good data set. Until we see exactly how much better these cars at varying prep levels by known good drivers, I just don't see the point of the mental exercise that's been presented.
All of the results I've presented are good drivers, with one possibly really good driver.
Here's another one....terry drove a stockish boss with 295's and a watt's on the same day as the s550 at ecr, and was slower in the boss than in the s550.