I hate this damn car.

lito · Dec 27, 2011

Today I decided to use it to pick up my daughter from a friend's house.

Started nice, let it warm for a couple of mins and when I went to move it... pam pam pam PLUM PLUM PLUM!!!! heavily in the engine.

Shutted it down quick, took the DD and grabbed a toolbox on my way back.

Here is what I've found:

Debris in the valve cover:

Other side looks good still:

I am so sick of this car giving me troubles, these phasers were torqued to Paschal's spec with loctite.

Plan is:

- scope inside for damage and clean as possible, if everything looks ok?
- Ford phasers with lockouts.
- try to align the broken phaser at zero to mark a link for the swap.
- run it and change oil and filter
- may have to take the k-member out soon for mods and remove the pan and clean some more.

Will try to go ahead with this without having to remove the whole thing out, won't even take the front cover off, I am so tired of this damn car that if I would need to take the engine out I may take one stock longblock I have at the shop, demod it and off it goes.

Only hoping that the PTV contact was not as hard that damaged a valve(s), these heads have only 200miles on them, this is the third set, first ones (livernois stage2)melted from a lubrication issue, took the motor with them, second set (livernois stage3) came with defective guides from them, these ones are FRPP CNC base ones with stock valves.

stkjock · Dec 27, 2011

That sucks Lito. What would cause that to happen?

dysan · Dec 27, 2011

Well crap!!! I guess that seals my decision when I do cams to not use degreeable cam gears and only do the trick flow crank gear.

Sorry to see more troubles and I hope it's not too bad.

klaw · Dec 27, 2011

Wow that sucks! I was thinking about going with those gears too - not any more.

fdjizm · Dec 27, 2011

Ouch, those bolts didn't hold that cam sprocket in place, when did you get that put in?
Don't be so hard on the car, it's awesome, parts go wrong sometimes.

JeremyH · Dec 27, 2011

OUch! So did the plate actualy come loose and start knocking back and forth? Looks like the bolt heads dug grooves in the plate.

GrnBullitt08 · Dec 27, 2011

Ouch... +1 on the cause.

lito · Dec 27, 2011

stkjock said:
That sucks Lito. What would cause that to happen?

I really think it is a design thing, 4 retaining bolts are too small for the tension the have to keep.

dysan said:
Well crap!!! I guess that seals my decision when I do cams to not use degreeable cam gears and only do the trick flow crank gear.

Sorry to see more troubles and I hope it's not too bad.

Some times I think that the car is telling me something, I am not superstitious at all but c'mon! is like it does not want me to drive it or else, I have 2.5 years of only pouring money into it and or either the parts I receive are crap or it breaks in the most mysterious ways. Everything that could go bad, happens in this f*****g car!

BruceH · Dec 27, 2011

When I was thinking of degreeing my cams you were the one who told me to use the trick flow crank setup. What possesed you to go with the adjustable cam gear?

I hope nothing else was damaged. Do you still have your original phasers?

TurboX · Dec 27, 2011

I can only hope the BBR adjusters are better. Tommy@JPC warned me of this exact thing, based on his recommendation is why I got the BBRs.

fdjizm · Dec 27, 2011

lito said:
I really think it is a design thing, 4 retaining bolts are too small for the tension the have to keep.

I would have put those things back on the shelf for just that thought, go with your gut! :mad2:

lito · Dec 27, 2011

BruceH said:
When I was thinking of degreeing my cams you were the one who told me to use the trick flow crank setup. What possesed you to go with the adjustable cam gear?

I hope nothing else was damaged. Do you still have your original phasers?

I studied all the options first, including the TFS's, and ordered these, once I got them degreed and thought that the TFS option was still the best (and cheaper too btw) so if I was to do it again, I would use TFS. Now I will just drop the phasers without degreeing.

My original phasers got all marked and slightly damaged when the first engine went so I discarded them. I already ordered new ones locally as they are cheaper than in the US.

fdjizm said:
I would have put those things back on the shelf for just that thought, go with your gut!

Too late for that, what worries me is that I am not the only car with those down here.

Greg Hazlett · Dec 27, 2011

Wow.....what a mess, sorry to see that carnage?

Who tuned it?

j/k!

06silverbullet · Dec 27, 2011

lito said:
Some times I think that the car is telling me something, I am not superstitious at all but c'mon! is like it does not want me to drive it or else, I have 2.5 years of only pouring money into it and or either the parts I receive are crap or it breaks in the most mysterious ways. Everything that could go bad, happens in this f*****g car!

i felt that way about my car last year...i don't anymore but i decided to keep the car to a basic bolt on toy w/ suspension. less likely to have issues on a basic setup and thats why i did it, plus it's my DD

05stroker · Dec 27, 2011

WOW!!! Sorry to see the troubles on your car again.

I am really sorry to see this. I was going to use a set of those gears when I do my 127550 cam swap after the car is tuned and off dynoed on the current cams with the Trick Flow crank gear. I guess I will plan on reusing the Trick Flow gear with the new cams.

8306gt · Dec 27, 2011

lito said:
Today I decided to use it to pick up my daughter from a friend's house.

Started nice, let it warm for a couple of mins and when I went to move it... pam pam pam PLUM PLUM PLUM!!!! heavily in the engine.

Shutted it down quick, took the DD and grabbed a toolbox on my way back.

Here is what I've found:

Debris in the valve cover:

Other side looks good still:

I am so sick of this car giving me troubles, these phasers were torqued to Paschal's spec with loctite.

Plan is:

- scope inside for damage and clean as possible, if everything looks ok?
- Ford phasers with lockouts.
- try to align the broken phaser at zero to mark a link for the swap.
- run it and change oil and filter
- may have to take the k-member out soon for mods and remove the pan and clean some more.

Will try to go ahead with this without having to remove the whole thing out, won't even take the front cover off, I am so tired of this damn car that if I would need to take the engine out I may take one stock longblock I have at the shop, demod it and off it goes.

Only hoping that the PTV contact was not as hard that damaged a valve(s), these heads have only 200miles on them, this is the third set, first ones (livernois stage2)melted from a lubrication issue, took the motor with them, second set (livernois stage3) came with defective guides from them, these ones are FRPP CNC base ones with stock valves.

This is exactly why Paschal Performance no longer manufactures or sells these gears. Clifford and I were discussing using them in my engine and he recommended to just lock the cams out and use crank gears and shims to degree. Sorry to see this happen. Did the valves and pistons hit and if so did you bend valves?

Bobby · Dec 27, 2011

damn sorry to here this lito

lito · Dec 27, 2011

05stroker said:
WOW!!! Sorry to see the troubles on your car again.

I am really sorry to see this. I was going to use a set of those gears when I do my 127550 cam swap after the car is tuned and off dynoed on the current cams with the Trick Flow crank gear. I guess I will plan on reusing the Trick Flow gear with the new cams.

I think is the best bet, are you planning on degreeing it with the engine in the car?

8306gt said:
This is exactly why Paschal Performance no longer manufactures or sells these gears. Clifford and I were discussing using them in my engine and he recommended to just lock the cams out and use crank gears and shims to degree. Sorry to see this happen. Did the valves and pistons hit and if so did you bend valves?

Car is in the parking lot of my apartment building that is underground so is very complicated to get it towed s it sits, I will just drop the locked phasers there and move it to the shop, then do the tests there.

05stroker · Dec 27, 2011

lito said:
I think is the best bet, are you planning on degreeing it with the engine in the car?

Yes I am. I know, it will suck. I will just pull the radiator ect.

toorbeenee · Dec 28, 2011

wow that sucks,,,,,

I hate this damn car.

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