2008 Stage 3 ROUSH - Rebirth...

[AutoXRacer]

The posts in this thread make me feel like whom ever you spoke to at ID is full of shit and just trying to sale parts. I was waiting to hear your results before sending my 2000s to them for " cleaning /ass fucking". I have some research to do now before sending them a thing. 2% does not kill a cylinder IMO.

No, no, no... The fuel inectors did not kill the spark plug, nor is the cylinder killed; piston top just has a few battle scares.

Injectors tested fine, no issues with them. They were just slightly out of tolerance. Post clean results did not improve or I should say tighten up the variance. So it was recommended to replace the three lower flowing injectors. The 4th was replaced at me request as that's the one that was glazing the #1 piston top as it flowed more than the rest. I want my 8 injectors to be as tight as possible.

So the injectors were not at fault for damaging the spark plug. I sent them to get tested to verify they were good and eliminate that variable.
The injectors tested good, just slightly out of ID's specs.

I fault myself for the #7 spark plug damage due to opening up the gap after they were heat cycled and used to break in the motor. I should have never touched the gap and just reinstalled them.

 

[05stroker]

No, no, no... The fuel inectors did not kill the spark plug, nor is the cylinder killed; piston top just has a few battle scares.

Injectors tested fine, no issues with them. They were just slightly out of tolerance. Post clean results did not improve or I should say tighten up the variance. So it was recommended to replace the three lower flowing injectors. The 4th was replaced at me request as that's the one that was glazing the #1 piston top as it flowed more than the rest. I want my 8 injectors to be as tight as possible.

So the injectors were not at fault for damaging the spark plug. I sent them to get tested to verify they were good and eliminate that variable.
The injectors tested good, just slightly out of ID's specs.

I fault myself for the #7 spark plug damage due to opening up the gap after they were heat cycled and used to break in the motor. I should have never touched the gap and just reinstalled them.

I have burnt my fair share of plug tips off, I have never seen or heard of anyone opening a plug bad up and that causing it to "melt" off. It did not break, it melted. You can see the melted specs in your pictures. It is either fuel starvation or detonation. JMO

 

[BruceH]

The posts in this thread make me feel like whom ever you spoke to at ID is full of shit and just trying to sale parts. I was waiting to hear your results before sending my 2000s to them for " cleaning /ass fucking". I have some research to do now before sending them a thing. 2% does not kill a cylinder IMO.

Maybe send them to a local place for an independent flow test?

 

[JeremyH]

The posts in this thread make me feel like whom ever you spoke to at ID is full of shit and just trying to sale parts. I was waiting to hear your results before sending my 2000s to them for " cleaning /ass fucking". I have some research to do now before sending them a thing. 2% does not kill a cylinder IMO.

This has been my feeling all along as well.

Here is some more info on injectors and cleaning.

http://www.witchhunter.com/process2.php


And here is a lot of good info about injectors in general. Facts, myths and tips.

http://www.witchhunter.com/injectorfaq1.php#does


Flow matching does not involve modifying the injectors in anyway. Its simply pairing up most like sets of injectors from a larger quantity.

From my understanding,the ID1000s are not Bosch injectors. Seems like they are a standalone injector with its own requirements/speccs.

The other IDs like the 750, 850, 1500, and 2000s are Bosch derived.

Please let me know if this sounds wrong. I have been given so muh fuel tech info that I may be speaking erroneously.

http://injectordynamics.com/company-overview/

It is indeed wrong, there are only a handful of injector manufactures out there, ID does not manufacturer injectors in house. Bosch is the manufacturer who is also one of the largest, many oem injectors including ford and frpp are made by bosch. Bosch injectors are built to oem industry standards and are flow matched to 6% from the factory. ID has sophisticated equipment to further test, flow and map the injector characteristics. They can then further match like sets regardless of actual flow to get less than 6%. I don't see on their site what that spec is for them 3-4% may be perfectly acceptable and is indeed better than that nominal oem 6% rating. There will always be variation though so whatever you feel comfortable with you can pay to get. You bought 4 new injectors to cut your variation down from 4% to 2%. Nothing wrong with having a warm fuzzy and doing that.

For me personally. With that flow data before cleaning and even after cleaning. I would put those injectors on my car as is and run them no problem. Are they returning the 4 injectors you are replacing or keeping them...?

 

[Pentalab]

I talked to Justin Fore, he mentioned ID uses their 10 micron ss filters for all their in house builds and this was news to him so he will be contacting them, asked him about the 6 micron fiberglass filter and this is what he said.

"Regarding 6 micron fiberglass...we can offer this filtration media, but we've avoided it since we've had several cases of customers experiencing the nuissance of ultra-short filter clog intervals and switched AWAY from the 6 micron fiberglass filtration to our 10 micron stainless filtration. (with excellent results)"

And some more helpful information for filter change intervals. OEM fuel sytem and filter 12-16 months. Aftermarket fuel system with 10 micron ss or cellulose filter 6-8 months and 6 micron or less 2-4 month change interval. This would all be subject to how much you drive the car etc. A tank of bad gas or dirty gas can definitely clog fuel pump filters and burn them up and clog inline filters etc.

Whoa. "OEM fuel sytem and filter 12-16 months." I assume you mean oem ford filter that I have on the car now ? Probably good advice.
BTW, I see that steeda sells a SS version of the fuel filter... $9.00
Oem Ford version is typ $14.00

Dunno how many microns the the oem ford or steeda ss filter is.
After cleaning the strainer /pre-filter on my oem pump, car runs great. The real fix is to wait til fuel level is down to 1/8 tank..then get in there and suck out all the crud floating at the bottom of the tankS.

The crud may be left over junk from the tank manufacturing process, or install..and not the gas itself ?

 

[eighty6gt]

It's the gas. Why would station operators care about contamination? 99% of the vehicles out there probably never get their fuel filter changed once and they still work until the lease is up or they get crushed or written off.

 

[AutoXRacer]

Are they returning the 4 injectors you are replacing or keeping them...?

Not sure... I did not ask. I guess they are keeping them.

 

[BadPiggy]

Not sure... I did not ask. I guess they are keeping them.

Ain't noway in hell I'd let them keep them. They don't own them, you do. I'd want my 4, plus the 4 new. That way I know I'm not getting fucked deeper.

Sorry.
But I trust no one.

 

[AutoXRacer]

Haha, I sent them an email asking...will take it from there.
They do give you a deep discount on the replacements. Although, now that I think about it, I'm paying more for the replacements than I did for the whole set if I price them out individually.

 

[AutoXRacer]

Got the injectors back last night... Installed and testing car...

So far so good!!

They did return the 4 that were replaced. I guess I have 4 spares now.
I wish they would have given me an option to repair or rebuild them.

Revised Flow Test Results:

 

[tigerhonaker]

Got the injectors back last night... Installed and testing car...

So far so good!!

They did return the 4 that were replaced. I guess I have 4 spares now.
I wish they would have given me an option to repair or rebuild them.

Gerald,

Congrats and looking forward to "Further" [Positive] Up-Dates.


Terry

 

[Scott]

Hope everything continues to remain "So far so good"!

 

[AutoXRacer]

I want to slap the car on a dyno to verify all the numbers are the same... lol

 

[BruceH]

I want to slap the car on a dyno to verify all the numbers are the same... lol

MSC? Maybe we could have our own two person dyno day, lol. I still need to get mine back on to verify my second gear pull tuning.

 

[05stroker]

They did return the 4 that were replaced. I guess I have 4 spares now.
I wish they would have given me an option to repair or rebuild them.

I guess that is because they just flow shit and don't build shit... I am really starting to wish I just bought the Bosch units. So if I send mine to ID, they wont clean them or anything? They just sale you more? That is ridicules!

By the Bobby and Jeremy, I don't need a told you so...

 

[AutoXRacer]

I guess that is because they just flow shit and don't build shit... I am really starting to wish I just bought the Bosch units. So if I send mine to ID, they wont clean them or anything? They just sale you more? That is ridicules!

By the Bobby and Jeremy, I don't need a told you so...

For $100 ID will test flow, clean, and retest. Standard service; in addition to replace all the o-rings.

 

[AutoXRacer]

MSC? Maybe we could have our own two person dyno day, lol. I still need to get mine back on to verify my second gear pull tuning.

I don't know. I still have a sour taste in my mouth from last time dealing with them. Plus my last baseline dyno was with a Dyna-Pak...not sure if I could get any from their dynojet.

When are you going out there?

 

[lito]

Don't you guys have a piece of road where you can really open it up, that I would like more than any dyno.

 

[AutoXRacer]

Don't you guys have a piece of road where you can really open it up, that I would like more than any dyno.

Not on the side of Washington we live in... We would have to go east of the mountains to the desert. lol

We are officially in the fall/winter weather where it rains everyday...all day long. Roads never dry.

So dyno's have to be it.

 

[lito]

Well, ok.

No more track days on the horizon?