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From what I gather the earlier it opens the more fluid it allows to travel through the system

The amount of water that can flow through the OPEN tstat is depend upon a lot of things, but WHEN it started opening isn't one of them. Not for a fully OPEN tstat.

The only thing I can figure is these tstats are built different so they allow either MORE or LESS water to flow (not sure which would help!) when fully open than stock tstats do. That is the only way I can see them impacting the ability of the system to cool and not just the lower bound on the water temperature.
 

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That makes more sense, im guessing im getting better cooling/flow(wether thats more or less) which is allowing it to cool down more from what the stock t-stat alowed at the same temp range.
 

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The amount of water that can flow through the OPEN tstat is depend upon a lot of things, but WHEN it started opening isn't one of them. Not for a fully OPEN tstat.

The only thing I can figure is these tstats are built different so they allow either MORE or LESS water to flow (not sure which would help!) when fully open than stock tstats do. That is the only way I can see them impacting the ability of the system to cool and not just the lower bound on the water temperature.

I don't know if it makes more sense that since more fluid is flowing through through the system that doesn't allow the fluid flowing to heat up as much? But the earlier the tstat is fully open does matter..

Here's what I was reading about them...

The thermostat has two important jobs to perform; to accelerate engine warm-up and to regulate the engine's operating temperature. A quality thermostat ensures excellent fuel economy, reduces engine wear, diminishes emissions and blow-by, improves cold weather drivability, provides adequate heater output, and detours overheating. This is accomplished by blocking the circulation of coolant between the engine and radiator until the engine has reached its predetermined temperature. The thermostat then opens as required in response to changes in coolant temperature to keep the engine's temperature within the desired operating range.(1.)

Thermostats have a “rated” temperature such as 180F or 195F. This is the temperature the thermostat will start to open, give or take 3 degrees.

Usually located within a metal or plastic housing where the upper radiator hose connects to the engine, most of today’s thermostats utilize the "reverse poppet" design, which opens against the flow of the coolant. Thermostats have a wax filled copper housing or cup called a "heat motor" that pushes the thermostat open against spring pressure.

As the engine's coolant warms up, the increase in heat causes the wax to melt and expand. The wax pushes against a piston inside a rubber boot. This forces the piston outward to open the thermostat. Within 3 or 4 degrees F. of the thermostat preset/rated temperature which is usually marked on the thermostat, the thermostat begins to unseat so coolant can start to circulate between the engine and radiator. It continues to open until engine cooling requirements are satisfied. It is fully open about 15-20 degrees above its rated temperature.(2.) If the temperature of the circulating coolant begins to drop, the wax element contracts, allowing spring tension to close the thermostat, thus decreasing coolant flow through the radiator.

On some applications, the thermostat performs an additional function. It closes off a bypass circuit inside the engine when it opens the radiator circuit. The bypass circuit circulates coolant inside the engine so that hot spots can’t form when the radiator circuit is closed.
 

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But the earlier the tstat is fully open does matter..

Explain HOW this would have any impact. People are posting that they are running coolant temps of 220 to 230 degrees. BOTH thermostats will be WIDE open at these temperatures so it doesn't matter one wit if one opened fully before the other did. The ONLY difference would be if one car hit the higher temperatures quicker. But NOT the high temps themselves.
 
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I though this too but its not the case, even fully open (200+ degrees) with the stocker it would hit 220, the 170 sitting in traffic (heat soak) its at least 10 degrees cooler on a hotter day.

I think it is an increase in flow at temp, if its true that the t-stat isnt fully open till 10-15 degrees above what its rated for, then with the 192 i wasn't getting max flow till 200-205. Where as im getting max flow at 185-190 with the 170 t-stat. Im leaning towards this as to why it is working.
 

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I though this too but its not the case, even fully open (200+ degrees) with the stocker it would hit 220, the 170 sitting in traffic (heat soak) its at least 10 degrees cooler on a hotter day.

I think it is an increase in flow at temp, if its true that the t-stat isnt fully open till 10-15 degrees above what its rated for, then with the 192 i wasn't getting max flow till 200-205. Where as im getting max flow at 185-190 with the 170 t-stat. Im leaning towards this as to why it is working.

I agree with you because my cruising temp is 190ish with my 180tstat... So I think I will go with a 160 for shits... If cars are running fine with them I would love the cooler temps..
 

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i doubt this is helpfull, but i know on older motors, like the 351C and the FE big blocks, some builders used to put a few wholes around the edge of the tstat so that even "closed" it flowed some, and at open it flowed more. Wonder if that would help with temps issues here.

But if your system is full open and fans are on high and you are still at high temps (read 240 or better) it sounds like the radiator in that setup is not sized right, it either needs more air flow, or needs to hold more coolant, so that the water moves through it slower and thus cools off more, right?
 

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While reading this thread and have been in the process of running cooler, ( Yes, I am N/A ) it's not only the tstat that will help you with the cooling problems. If you've looked at your hoses and how the water circulates through them. You'd realize why the temps sky rocket while sitting, yes which is common sense, but the fact that 80% of the water hitting the tstat goes back into the engine opposed to running to the radiator to cool down.
Hense, for the FI guys, if you ever visit on SVTperformance, you'd see a lot of them reroute their coolant lines and make a partial block off plate to push more water to the radiator for cooling opposed to running the hot water back into the engine. While the tstat works while moving.. finding ways to push more water back to the radiator for cooling would be ideal.. as well as working on focusing as much air to the radiator as possible.
 

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So on a comparable day to the orignal 192 t-stat readings, (today is mid to upper 80's). My sitting still for greater than 5 mins after driving for 30 mins (heat soaked) it settled at 205. let it sit and idle hood closed for another 10 mins. and it stayed at 205. This is 15 degress less than before! Also my highway temps were 175, and city were 180-185 romping on it. I am shocked with the results!

I bought some watter wetter and distilled water today,stay tune for the results! I'm going to wait for a 100 degree day to try it out for better comparisions to the post 170 t-stat results.
 

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Screw it I'm returning this one and getting the 160* one, it never gets below 30* down here in the coldest times
 

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Yeah man for a florida car the 160 shouldnt hurt. But i would try the 170 first. One of the downfalls i will note with the 170 is i have to let the car warm up form at least 2-3 mins even in the summer. But thats just the nature of big injectors, colder/smaller plug gap anyway.
 

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Hmmm just over heated horribly in bad traffic on a hot day yesterday, peed out a gallon...
I always keep tools, gas, oil, plugs and coolant with me thank god for that!

Should I do the 170 and modify it or do a 160... I just don't want to hurt anything and it seems just about everyone hates the 160...
 

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Two questions:

  1. Lightblade, where are you measuring coolant temp?
  2. Do you think the reduction in coolant temps is because of the new thermostat or because your fan is coming on earlier now?
 

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Two questions:

  1. Lightblade, where are you measuring coolant temp?
  2. Do you think the reduction in coolant temps is because of the new thermostat or because your fan is coming on earlier now?


At the coolant crossover, I didnt touch the fan setting after the 170 t-stat install, so no. It clearely works and works well it runs a solid 5 city 10 hwy degrees cooler on a 12 degree hotter day.
 

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Hmmm just over heated horribly in bad traffic on a hot day yesterday, peed out a gallon...
I always keep tools, gas, oil, plugs and coolant with me thank god for that!

Should I do the 170 and modify it or do a 160... I just don't want to hurt anything and it seems just about everyone hates the 160...


if its an 05/06 do the 160 i think, also wire fans to run on high always.
 

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ill post my results to the different things i have done with my cooling system.

very similar to lightblades setup,front mounted turbo.

started out with :
stock radiator
180 thermostat (stock was 192)
(2) 12" slim fans on stock factory wiring
Eh20 pump
antifreeze mix

results with this set up:
i would see 220+ sitting in traffic on 90+ degree heat, no A/C on, over heated once or twice, high way temps were around 200. 1 or 2 hard runs at the 1/4 and i would puke coolant. So i decided i had to do something!!

new setup as of 5-6 weeks ago: 100 degree weather now
bought a cheap "thicker" radiator, less than $200 shipped
same 180* thermostat
(1) 14" fand and (1) 12" fan (that $200 for the radiator included to fans for free!!)
same Eh20 pump
switched out to 100% distilled water and 1 bottle of water wetter
ALSO.....while upgrading the radiator/fans.....i removed them off the factory wiring and added a seperate 30amp circuit for each fan, directly off the battery and using the factory on/off wire from the stock fans to trip a relay to activate the fans using the factory ecu.

Results: highest i have seen is 205 WITH the A/C on!!! WITH 10 degrees hotter ambiant temps.....today the ambiant temps were around 85 and the car stayed around 180 for most of my 45 minute drive.So im not sure what made the biggest difference, if it was the thicker radiator or the re-wiring of the fans but im VERY happy now with my temps and the $6 180* thermostat.

I tried a 160* some time ago, and didnt like it becuase it seems to not let me car warm up fast enough. I thought i made a post about my findings on how the thermostats actually worked....i used a hot pot of water and a digital thermometer and measured exactly what temps they opened at...ill try to dig that up, but if i remember correctly, they didnt open until they hit the * they were rated at, so a 192* wouldnt budge until it hit 192* and wasnt fully opened until around 198*.....like i said,ill try to dig that thread back up.
 

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Good info man! I have around 30% coolant 70% water and half bottle of the wetter.

Went to the track tonight also and saw 190-195 at the end of my runs coming back to the pits.
 

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From http://www.reischeperformance.com/

Whether you are using an aftermarket radiator or not these thermostats will provide the best possible coolant temps and heat dissipation from your setup along with reduced warm up times and better cold weather performance when compared to a t-stat with holes drilled in the diaphragm. I believe the 170° opening temp is the ideal balance for high performance engines, providing high flow to your radiator by mid-180 temps while still maintaining a decent level of all season performance. With proper fan settings your cruising temps in cool weather will be in the 170s and in hot weather the 180s, giving those running high levels of timing and/or boost added protection against engine damaging detonation as well as maximum power output.
Here you see the OEM thermostat from an ’03 Cobra (left) next to my 4.6L DOHC t-stat (right) and how they respond to the same temperature water. More...
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