Why did I posted what I did? well, because I see this kind of thing frequently, "my tuner told me to find data for this throttle body", "my tuner is having issues with my car", and that makes me mad/sad. Why? because that is tuner's work, tuning is not cheap and you are supposed to be a professional at what you do to charge what you charge.
My other problem is asking for data that should not be asked for or that really do not exist. "Pump data" or "Throttle body data" there is no such thing, the only completely characterized component in a tune on the 3V platform are the injectors (and even there, it can be argued), no more. Why is that I say that this data does not exist, because an electronic returnless fuel system is just that a system not a pump by itself, I can use the exact same pump in two different cars, one with the complete stock system and the other with wire upgrades, bigger lines, filters, rails or even a PPRV delete in it and the thing changes completely, so how in the world could a seller, provide such data? there is no way, they can provide actual pump data, voltage/volume/pressure graphs and all but that is it, the data requested is for a complete system and can't be replicated, is a feed forward PID controller data of a COMPLETE system. The same thing with a throttle body, many tooners think that data you extract from another car that carries this same TB can be used directly in their tune because, "hey is the same part" but the calibration is not for "that part" it is for "that part with x intake and y engine behind it" and it is not 100% applicable, so whenever you remove your stock filter/intake and replace it with an aftermarket CAI, will that screw your drive by wire calibration out of the window? no, but is not the same, it changes, things changed. "I installed a GT500 TB on my NA 3V, so I copy a GT500 data over and I am done?" no, you are not, that data was for a completely different engine and intake so is completely off.
This a consequence of a very friendly system on SCT's advantage that is value file system, value files are good and help a lot on tuning different platforms, it allows you to get some data from different sections of your calibration and save as a separate file and use that in a different tune file. Is so nice that HPtuners has or is going to implement into their software, which is great. What is the bad thing that this has brought, value file tooners, people that has access to data and implement it but doesn't really know what is going on. On this date, tuning right a 3V for someone that does this on a a daily basis is not time consuming at all as there are zero mysteries left anymore in this platform and for the price it is usually charged for it, it should be done right.
I am the "crackpot" tuner and maybe you should think twice and check your resources before calling names......
I was approached today by the OP in regards to whether or not an unknown brand 465lph pump "possibly Deutchworks" would work for his fuel system. I told him to find out what pump it was and to also find out if there is a data sheet available. I'm not sure where asking for this information makes me unknowledgeable but dialing in a Ford returnless fuel system from scratch without data can be a very time consuming process. I've had numerous customers show up with an unknown gerotor pump "aka 255" and they simply do not work in a returnless configuration and I was simply trying to save the customer time and money.
I do not need to pay for advertising on here or bash anyone else in an attempt to gain business but anytime someone is chastised for seeking knowledge or help it's the wrong place to seek advise.
Bob Monks
STLMustangs
You say I advertise and bash here to gain business but what I see is a tuner requesting a customer to do his work, the work that the customer will later have to pay for. Asking to find out what kind of pump it is physically is one thing and absolutely needed so you and him do not waste time but asking for data is nonsense and that is what I pointed at, if that hurt you in any way, sorry.
Who knows, he might be itching to knock the rust off it
