Oh Hell Yeah!!!! It's on now!!!

[US-1]

Not with my car. Was going to borrow one just for points. I'm thinking of not blowing the money on that trip and put it into getting the car finished.

 

[Shaffe]

I see I see

 

[91trunk-edtootall]

You did notice the sponsors on the doors and fenders.......right?

Dumbass

Dumbass? I guess we are resorting to name calling again.

I did see the sponosors, but most sponsors don't just give product away. They give discounts, but since you are Super Douche maybe they fall at your feet.

 

[Lazy Racer]

Not with my car. Was going to borrow one just for points. I'm thinking of not blowing the money on that trip and put it into getting the car finished.

Get the sponsors to pay

 

[Matt D]

SD just get trmec to sponser you and get a 5 speed stick in there or call up Creg @ liberty

 

[US-1]

Dumbass? I guess we are resorting to name calling again.

You're the one making the assumptions.

I did see the sponosors, but most sponsors don't just give product away. They give discounts, but since you are Super Douche maybe they fall at your feet.

Everything on that car was free of charge last year. Everything. In exchange for the equipment, I carried the companies merchandise, catalogs, promotional items, flyers, and stickers to each race and had them displayed in our vendor booth. How and why? Two world championships will get you quite a bit these days, Slick. Not that you'd know anything about that, of course.

I asked them to put the turbo system on my car and I'd win a championship for them.......and I did. In addition, I helped them sell several Mustang systems and a few Hemi kits as well. This is what I have done with several companies. Team Performance, Exile Turbo, Strictly Performance, Metco Motorsports, Leonard Racing Products, Cragar, Probe Industries/Coast High Performance, Mickey Thompson, Harland Sharp, and Keplinger Designs. Plus we have a few deals working right now that could possibly lead to a very good season in 2010.

Don't promise more than you can deliver....but always deliver more than you promise.

 

[US-1]

SD just get trmec to sponser you and get a 5 speed stick in there or call up Creg @ liberty

Get the weight restriction lifted completely out of this class and I will have a clutchless Liberty in the car immediately.

Last stick car I had was the Fairmont with a 393" Cleveland, clutchless Jerico, stock suspension and a 10" tire. 9.60's and wheels up......what a ride!

 

[Matt D]

Get the weight restriction lifted completely out of this class and I will have a clutchless Liberty in the car immediately.

Last stick car I had was the Fairmont with a 393" Cleveland, clutchless Jerico, stock suspension and a 10" tire. 9.60's and wheels up......what a ride!

what does a weight limit have to do with a liberty transmission lol?

 

[jsawyer]

Slick. .

 

[US-1]

what does a weight limit have to do with a liberty transmission lol?

Because if they lift the weight restriction then they might as well remove all the other rules too.

 

[kdesigns]

, Slick...

 

[Steedman07]

Slick.

 

[FalconGTHO]

you never know.... look at the original cobra jets $$$$$$$$$ right now

No comparison. Ive wore out the "contemporary collectibles" discussion on many forums, esp over the past few months. Its ALL speculative, but Im confident its a money LOSING gamble.

Just look at the MAJOR hit the Saleen PJs are taking. Lightning doesnt stirke twice. People who think modern "muscle cars" are going to enjoy the same appreciation as original classic muscle cars are SORELY mistaken.

 

[FalconGTHO]

I have no intention of selling it. I was just making a point. These cars are going for over what I got it for right now, but she is mine for a lifetime.

Sure, thats how it ALWAYS goes. "Flavor of the month" because everyone wants to "cash in". They have to get one now so they can "flip" it in 10, 20 years. The never stop to think that all that EXTRA inflationary pricing they paid for will NOT matter when it comes time to unload at Barrett Jackson. People only care about how much it was SUPPOSED to cost up front, not what you paid for it.

Real value vs perceived value.

 

[gijosh28]

That fact is, that your making speculative statements too. I have three letters for you. GNX. Theres some modern treasure.

 

[Matt D]

That fact is, that your making speculative statements too. I have three letters for you. GNX. Theres some modern treasure.

This man speaks the truth

 

[Matt D]

No comparison. Ive wore out the "contemporary collectibles" discussion on many forums, esp over the past few months. Its ALL speculative, but Im confident its a money LOSING gamble.

Just look at the MAJOR hit the Saleen PJs are taking. Lightning doesnt stirke twice. People who think modern "muscle cars" are going to enjoy the same appreciation as original classic muscle cars are SORELY mistaken.

But who would of thought back in 1967 there cars which they bought brand new for like $3500 would be worth $100,000 in the year 2005 lol?

 

[Herknav]

That fact is, that your making speculative statements too. I have three letters for you. GNX. Theres some modern treasure.

err... isn't that thing 20+ years old now?

Not very modern...

 

[FalconGTHO]

That fact is, that your making speculative statements too. I have three letters for you. GNX. Theres some modern treasure.

Ehh, thats an anomaly in contemporary cars. The exception. One car does not make a trend, nor guarantee furture appreciation on (an)other car(s). Bottom line, the odds are with me that any given "modern collectible" will NOT appreciably gain value over time.

Ive gone back and gathered the various posts Ive made on this topic. The logic is there. Gamble at your own peril. The first post is in reference to the shocking (to some) loss of value already on the Saleen PJ cars of which only 500 were made, 47 fewer than GNXs. And the 300 2000 Cobra R owners are STILL waiting for THEIR "appreciation".

"NEVER buy a car (or ANYthing) and EXPECT to make money. That being said, it WILL take a awhile in ANY economy to start to realize ANY possible profit potential.

But, as Ive said many times here and on other sites, the age of the "collectible car" is long gone. Everyone is collector conscious now and thus acts accordingly. The concept of a "million dollar Hemi Cuda" or w/e isnt going to strike twice. The reason old muscle costs so much is because there arent cars like those anymore. Regardless of whether a "new musclecar" can outhandle or out perform old muscle, the "experience" just isnt the same, nor is the look.

The people who want old muscle are the ones who had one and got rid of it or never got to have one back then. The following generations dont know or dont care. Racing spectatorship is down year after year and Im NOT just talking stupid NASCAR, and interest in cars just isnt there like it was in the 60s. We dont have "car movies" like "Hot Rod Girl" and things like that. Nobodys writing new songs like, "Hey Little Shelby" or "ZO6", etc.
So, if there isnt a generation now that wants them, there wont be a generation later that wants them. The current generation wants the stupid "F&F" stuff. They dont go to races, they play XBox and PS3 and want cars that are like those in the games. The cars that will hold value longer, while still not being collectible, will be Supras, GT Rs, (NOT the new one) and things of that nature.

Also, the fuel market is going to dictate values. Were "back to normal" now, but its GOING to be short lived. Gas will either spike and stay or it will restart a climb upward (EDIT, it already has since this was written). Either way, gas will become permanently too expensive for "new muscle", thus diminishing the desire. This is why the XBox cars will hold value longer.

The people that can afford to own and esp drive these assumptive modern collectibles already have them. Those that cant now, wont later. So, whos going to be available to buy these cars in 20 years when people think theyre going to cash in? All 500 PJs will be babied, pampered, etc. So, even if there IS a segment of people who want one and can afford to drive one, they will pretty much have all 500 to pick from then.

The reason a Hemi Cuda vert is a million plus now is, first, there WERENT 500 of them made and second, not ALL of the ones that WERE made survived intact and unmolested through the ages. This is what I mean by "collector conscious". Back then, no one cared, no one "planned for the future". Now they do. And this is how things pivot. NOTHING that anyone says is or WILL be collectible EVER turns out to be. Stuff becomes collectible because it was disregarded, overlooked.

The irony is that stuff no one wants now typically turns into the stuff EVERYone wants later. This is why I say I have a better chance at either losing less money (should I be forced to sell, since Ive said Ill never get rid of mine) on mine or perhaps making a higher ratio of money on mine compared to some special "collectible" edition. I proffer that there will be more people who just want a simple GT they can afford and not be paranoid about driving in 20 years than would want some inflated, "limited" edition tuner car or special edition OEM car such as a Bullitt.

However, any speculation on "modern collectible" values assumes that we actually still USE gas in 20 years and that its still available to the public. Fuel in the future isnt just a question of "How much will it be?" but if it will even be publicly available, if at all. If its not, were ALL going to own "lifesize diecast". Well just look at it in the garage and dust it every so often."

NEXT

"Easily able to build a MUCH better Shelby yourself for less money.

As for "diminshed value", I dont buy it. As Ive mentioned times before, EVERYone is "collector conscious" and its all just hype. There is NO guarantee any so called "modern collectible" will actually GAIN value decades from now. And for the Shelbys, the amount needed to be gained is practically INsurmountable. Not only do you have to gain above the sticker, but you have to gain above the dealer markup. No ones going to care decades from now that someone had to pay 10K over sticker. Thats the sellers loss. Too bad.

Lastly, there has to be gas available to actually DRIVE these "collectibles" decades from now. If not, well then, as Ive said before, youve got a life sized diecast to look at."

 

[stkjock]

great post Falcon