Supercharge your GT or Cobra?

[Riptide]

Am I missing something? Says the rods are forged here.

http://www.fordracingparts.com/parts/part_details.asp?PartKeyField=10374

 

[Grabber]

Am I missing something? Says the rods are forged here.

http://www.fordracingparts.com/parts/part_details.asp?PartKeyField=10374

The site I was looking at said different.

Regardless, that is a lot of work just to out-do a Factory motor. For half the cost, you can take the already built Cobra motor, and beef certain parts up, and match/surpass this Aluminator.

This can keep going. You can buy a Cobra for less, with similar or less miles than a GT, drop 1-2K into it, and have a solid 11 second car, and a great overall car.

Not dissing the 3V, but, for the money people pay for not just the car, but for the modifications, if you want to go fast, you can go fast for cheaper compared to the 3V, and still look good.

 

[Riptide]

Yes the 3v is an expensive car to make fast. You already know my thoughts on this subject. I was just trying to get the facts straight about the rods in that shortblock.

 

[stkjock]

Sure, if you like spending 10K on the motor. Also, the Aluminator is not built like the Cobra motor. The Rods are not forged.

Not to mention, the Motor is about 6K, and the trans is about 3K. Now, since not everyone can install and rip out an old motor, have fun paying another 2k to installed the motor, trans, tune the car, change out all other parts, etc. That is why.

I paid 21K for my car, of which there are only 365 of them around, and I have only put 1200 or so in mods. Oh, and it only has 25K miles, after 7 long years, and the body and motor is mint.

Terminators have been proven time and time again. Without heavy, and I mean heavy modification, the GT is on a lower platform. No offense, but, that is a fact. I am sure some of you will argue, because you think slapping a blower on makes the GT better. Good luck getting your GT past 500 RWHP safely. I can go to 700 RWHP without having to go through the heartache of swapping motors, building the current motor up, etc.

Chris - FYI Aluminator uses Manley Rons and can be had now for 3200 shipped.

http://www.fordracingparts.com/parts/part_details.asp?PartKeyField=10374

• Fits 2005-2009 Mustang GT
• Forged steel 8-bolt crankshaft
• Forged steel H-beam connecting rods
• Forged aluminum 16cc dish 3 valve pistons
• New oil pump
• Uses M-6010-A46NA block, knock sensors are not removed from the block
• Approximately 8.7:1 compression ratio when used with 50.3cc 3 valve heads
• Lower compression for supercharged applications
• Built with all NEW PARTS
• Will accept 3V cylinder heads
• Will not work with 2V or 4V cylinder heads
• 8-bolt flywheel required (not included)

 

[Riptide]

lawl stk I already linked him to that.

 

[Chrome61]

I was the first one to respond to the OP, but I need to clear something up, If ford didn't come out with the S-197 I would still own two camaros. Not dissing anyones choice of rides but that's just me.

 

[Grabber]

The Shortblock is 3300 bucks, however, the Actual Aluminator motor this guy mentioned, the Longblock, is 5600 bucks. Big difference.

 

[Vapour Trails]

I'd supercharge an 05+ anyday over a Cobra.

The cobra chassis is antiquated, it's heavy, has a rather poor IRS system, and a small inefficient blower. At the same boost level I don't really see a lot of evidence that the 4V holds a power advantage.

Yes, the Cobra has a stronger engine, but for $3500 you can buy a 3V shortblock that is just as strong (and lighter). Heck, I just bought one.

 

[Hawgman]

Get a 2011 5.0 with a 125 shot. See ya bolt on cobra & supercharged GT. =)

but you just can't un-ugly the 2011

 

[Grabber]

I'd supercharge an 05+ anyday over a Cobra.

The cobra chassis is antiquated, it's heavy, has a rather poor IRS system, and a small inefficient blower. At the same boost level I don't really see a lot of evidence that the 4V holds a power advantage.

Yes, the Cobra has a stronger engine, but for $3500 you can buy a 3V shortblock that is just as strong (and lighter).

I will let this go. You know exactly what you are saying.

Yeah, for 3300 bucks, I can put a whipple on, and make over 600 RWHP, and have a way faster car. Chassis are antiques? ROFL

It's also been proven, on the same boost, the 4V on the Cobra's will make a bit more power. More flow = more power.

But, ok. Take it from a guy that doesn't own a Cobra, and his biased opinion.

 

[stkjock]

The Shortblock is 3300 bucks, however, the Actual Aluminator motor this guy mentioned, the Longblock, is 5600 bucks. Big difference.

ahh, IMHO no need for the long block, you can easily see 600+whp on stock heads and cams

 

[Grabber]

ahh, IMHO no need for the long block, you can easily see 600+whp on stock heads and cams

I don't agree that the heads can handle that much HP. The Valves themselves will give out around 550 RWHP.

That's my opinion, but, it's backed by the fact that it has happened to a lot of people pushing 500+ RWHP. But, what do I know. I drive a slow antique.

 

[onequicktang]

im with grabber on this. I see what he is saying. buy an 03-04 cobra for 20000+ which is prob what you would pay for a newer low mileage s197. put a 4000 blower on the cobra and you can have 700 hp. put 4000 into an s197 and you have a nice motor ready for boost at 320 hp. But both cars have there pros and cons and its not really an arguable topic as everyone is going to have a different opinion on each car.

 

[stang03]

I think the Cobra is much easier to mod and can hold more with less effort

 

[onequicktang]

the heads are good for that just should upgrade the springs from my understanding

 

[Riptide]

I've always been under the impression the rods were the weak link w/regard to the stock setup.

So people with an aluminator but otherwise stock setup have ticking time bombs on their hands over 550whp?

 

[Vapour Trails]

I will let this go. You know exactly what you are saying.

Yeah, for 3300 bucks, I can put a whipple on, and make over 600 RWHP, and have a way faster car. Chassis are antiques? ROFL

It's also been proven, on the same boost, the 4V on the Cobra's will make a bit more power. More flow = more power.

But, ok. Take it from a guy that doesn't own a Cobra, and his biased opinion.

For the same money I too can make 600 whp in a lighter, more compact package. So what? You've got this idea that swapping a engine is this massively expensive, complicated thing..it isn't.

Once the internals are the same, the only difference is the heads. The 4V heads enjoy a very marginal advantage over heads with one less valve. I think that says a lot about the strides Ford made in design (two cams and 4 valves barely beat one cam and 3 valves).

All Mustangs from 1979-2004 are based on the same platform, and it is antiquated, not to mention weak and flexible.

I don't have to own a Cobra to know that aluminum blocks are better than iron blocks, that well thought out solid axle suspension is lighter and stonger than an expensive and breakable IRS, that chassis stiffeness is a good thing, and inside and out the S197 is more visually appealing.

The only thing from the Cobra I wouldn't mind is the tranmission, bent nail shifter and all.

 

[Riptide]

For the same money I too can make 600 whp in a lighter, more compact package. So what?

I'd like to know what mod your buying for $3300 that gets you 600whp safely out of an otherwise stock s197.

 

[stkjock]

I don't agree that the heads can handle that much HP. The Valves themselves will give out around 550 RWHP.

That's my opinion, but, it's backed by the fact that it has happened to a lot of people pushing 500+ RWHP. But, what do I know. I drive a slow antique.

Our own psfracer ran his car to 10.13 @ 133 with 604 rwhp, IIRC he only upgraded the springs.


btw Chris - I'm not disagreeing that a Termi is a better starting point to make big power....

 

[Grabber]

I'd like to know what mod your buying for $3300 that gets you 600whp safely out of an otherwise stock s197.

Me too.