Some new pictures with some steering angle mod done

[irishpwr46]

for anyone who wants to question the strength, know this. when you weld two pieces of metal together properly, the metal around the weld will break before the weld itself will. the metalurgy involved actually strengthens the metal itself on a molecular level.

 

[jodadejss06gt]

You could also make the metal around the weld more brittle and change its properties completely!
That is however really sweet!

 

[Rhythm_Drifting]

Hello guys I would be the one that has been doing the work on the car (and owns the Cobra in the previously posted pictures). The whole goal for the angle mod on this car was to create a quicker steering response with the added benefit of a greater amount of steering angle. With that said, max potential angle was never the intent. As you can see from the previously posted picture of the cut out section there was more than twice the amount of material that could have been removed that would have gained angle results far greater than this. Here inlay the problems, this being a primarily road-racing setup the use of the brake cooling kit and their brackets that attach to the spindle are not an option to delete. Thus leaving the lower bolt hole was necessary. Secondly the most typical form of shortening the spindles is to remove the "built in" ackerman by repositioning the tie-rod mounting point in relationship to the ball-joint location. In drifting this makes the front end glide with little to no drag at all... However in road-racing this creates a massive push effect where the front tires loose grip due to them not being properly aligned in relationship to the corner. By keeping the "factory" ackerman and just moving the tie-rod mounting positions straight back (not changing their relationship to the ball-joint) you can get the benefit of quicker response and more angle while sacrificing no traction issues in cornering. The only draw back is that there still remains the slight amount of front drag while drifting but as stated before that is not this cars primary intended purpose. As for any rubbing issues... there are none. At full lock either direction the tires never come closer than 3/4" of anything. With the use of spacers there is tho the potential for a slight bit more angle through removing the steering rack limiters but it is of no need at this moment. As far as the welding I am a welder/fabricator by profession and am quite familiar with the process. I hope that this answered your questions and hope to be a contributing part of this forum.

 

[Digital_Synapse]

I know it's probably ok and all, but it looks completely un natural.

 

[Cone Sweeper]

Whats un natural? the wheel turning that much? It's only different to see b/c it's not stock ..

 

[Kuro!]

Needs more angle... i've seen more than a few "cut knuckles" break from not being fabbed properly.

 

[Digital_Synapse]

Whats un natural? the wheel turning that much? It's only different to see b/c it's not stock ..

I know, just looks weird. It helps to have them turn more so you can drift at a sharper angle right? I'm guessing having the wheels turn more allows more control with more sliding out?

 

[Cone Sweeper]

To be honest, on the situation of drifting I wouldn't know the feel of what this mod has done yet, it was done for road racing. In that sense, the steering is more crisp and less rotation of the steering wheel itself to turn the car. Feels great so far.

But as for the point of doing it, it allows more angle of the wheel to allow the car the push more and lose the front end grip which allows it to slide more.

 

[Digital_Synapse]

it was done for road racing. In that sense, the steering is more crisp and less rotation of the steering wheel itself to turn the car.

That's awesome. My car does that with the tap of a button. One of the cool things about the new steering design.

 

[Cone Sweeper]

LOL But you will never have that kind of angle with the tires with the same turn of the steering wheel.. thats purely based on the piece that was cut and made shorter which allows the turn to be shorter with more angle.

 

[Digital_Synapse]

LOL But you will never have that kind of angle with the tires with the same turn of the steering wheel.. thats purely based on the piece that was cut and made shorter which allows the turn to be shorter with more angle.

That's for sure. Just from a response point of view. I dont think on a high speed course my wheels would ever turn so much, maybe on a slower course with lots of jukes and sharp turns for sure.

Looks good man. Props.

 

[Cone Sweeper]

Your right, not a whole lot of turn at high speed but the wheel is more much sensitive at high speed with this it seems. But I can't wait to get on a track like Sebring again, and go from the middle of 4th down to 2nd for a sharp turn and see the feel of it in comparison.

But thank you sir.

 

[Rhythm_Drifting]

I know it's probably ok and all, but it looks completely un natural.

Trust me its supper fun! And thank you for the compliments.

Needs more angle... i've seen more than a few "cut knuckles" break from not being fabbed properly.

Is that a round about way of saying that you feel that these are not fabbed properly? Having seen so many break and understanding the failure in the process taken with those knuckles that surely must mean that you have rectified the situation and come up with a solution. Does that solution include the massive amount of bracing that comes from wrapping solid bar material around the rod end and securing it back on the main frame thus more than tripling the strength. Because through extensive hazardous street testing and harsh track testing on my own car and it has solved the issue. Besides any failed knuckles that result while driving are purely the fault of the vehicle owner or mechanic (whoever is in charge of the race cars safety inspection/maintenance) for not keeping tabs on a "modified" part for fatigue or hairline cracks that start show up before a failure. I always check everything on my car regularly... its good safety... for street or racing.

 

[Vapour Trails]

Just don't tell a track or autocross tech inspector you did that! I have my doubts they would let you run. If it were my call, I'd say no.

 

[Cone Sweeper]

Just don't tell a track or autocross tech inspector you did that! I have my doubts they would let you run. If it were my call, I'd say no.

Honest? I've seen much worse things done to cars that get through tech.

 

[irishpwr46]

You could also make the metal around the weld more brittle and change its properties completely!
That is however really sweet!

which is why i said when its welded together properly

 

[Kuro!]

Trust me its supper fun! And thank you for the compliments.




Is that a round about way of saying that you feel that these are not fabbed properly? Having seen so many break and understanding the failure in the process taken with those knuckles that surely must mean that you have rectified the situation and come up with a solution. Does that solution include the massive amount of bracing that comes from wrapping solid bar material around the rod end and securing it back on the main frame thus more than tripling the strength. Because through extensive hazardous street testing and harsh track testing on my own car and it has solved the issue. Besides any failed knuckles that result while driving are purely the fault of the vehicle owner or mechanic (whoever is in charge of the race cars safety inspection/maintenance) for not keeping tabs on a "modified" part for fatigue or hairline cracks that start show up before a failure. I always check everything on my car regularly... its good safety... for street or racing.

It's a round about way if me saying cut knuckles break if not made correctly. You Formula D?

 

[Rhythm_Drifting]

It's a round about way if me saying cut knuckles break if not made correctly. You Formula D?

Ok... Then is it that you are questioning the quality of my work? Did you see the pictures of the knuckles? Its that your comment was rather open-ended as far as its relativeness to these specific knuckles so i'm just trying to figure out where you stand on the subject.

As far as the FD, no sir, I am not with them. I have however driven with and worked with D1 at multiple events 2 or so years ago. I spent a few years as a Pro licensed driver in FDC, a Florida based pro series that was an "underground" feeder class for D1. Even pulled 1st and 2nd place a few times at competitions. Nothing amazing but I have been in and around Pro caliber cars for a while. I did take a break from drifting a little over a year ago to pursue road-racing more but have started to get back into it. Ive road-raced at Sebring, PBIR, Homestead, numerous times and have done drifting at all three and then some. So I've been around the block a few times and I am very familiar with how they do things. And honestly outside of some of the heavily sponsored teams that can have anything they want just CNC'd al verly large amount of people drift with cut knuckles that have no extra bracing at all. These are on my best friends car... They are overkill compared to the sports standards... and for a good reason.

 

[VTXFrank]

Ok... Then is it that you are questioning the quality of my work? Did you see the pictures of the knuckles? Its that your comment was rather open-ended as far as its relativeness to these specific knuckles so i'm just trying to figure out where you stand on the subject.

As far as the FD, no sir, I am not with them. I have however driven with and worked with D1 at multiple events 2 or so years ago. I spent a few years as a Pro licensed driver in FDC, a Florida based pro series that was an "underground" feeder class for D1. Even pulled 1st and 2nd place a few times at competitions. Nothing amazing but I have been in and around Pro caliber cars for a while. I did take a break from drifting a little over a year ago to pursue road-racing more but have started to get back into it. Ive road-raced at Sebring, PBIR, Homestead, numerous times and have done drifting at all three and then some. So I've been around the block a few times and I am very familiar with how they do things. And honestly outside of some of the heavily sponsored teams that can have anything they want just CNC'd al verly large amount of people drift with cut knuckles that have no extra bracing at all. These are on my best friends car... They are overkill compared to the sports standards... and for a good reason.

Dude, ignore Kuro. He thinks he knows a hell of a lot more than he actually does. He also uses mommy and daddy's money to mod his car, so he tends to look down upon us mere "less educated" simple folk. Just wait until he learns a little about it from his exhaustive Google searching and then tries to talk like he's got two decades of experience even though he's only 20 or 21.

The pics were taken with a Nikon D40. Nice camera!

As far as the mods itself goes, I've seen a bit of welding over the years. That's some good work there. I'd not worry about driving with them.

 

[Rhythm_Drifting]

Dude, ignore Kuro. He thinks he knows a hell of a lot more than he actually does. He also uses mommy and daddy's money to mod his car, so he tends to look down upon us mere "less educated" simple folk. Just wait until he learns a little about it from his exhaustive Google searching and then tries to talk like he's got two decades of experience even though he's only 20 or 21.

The pics were taken with a Nikon D40. Nice camera!

As far as the mods itself goes, I've seen a bit of welding over the years. That's some good work there. I'd not worry about driving with them.

Thank you very much!