AM 2011 Mustang GT: Prototype CAI & Dyno Tune - Huge Power Gains!

[beefcake]

I get that Terry, but wouldn't the intake of air give at least equal gains?

I mean 11 HP gain from baseline by letting the engine breath better should be consistant with the upgraded tune.

Going back in time to carbed engines, we used to reach a point where the next step was induction gains and I see a reversal here.

If the engine is tuned to maximize power, adding the CAI should give a bigger increase than when the tune is stock because now that extra air is really adding a benefit.

It just doesn't make sense to me.

What does make sense is this:

We had a baseline 87 octane (like the graph I showed) of 363, we added a CAI and we used 93 Octane to get to 374. Overall the CAI was worth 6HP in either configuration.

I don't believe otherwise, because this is the only thing that makes sense.

It's not the air so much that is making the power, it is the altering of the tune by a different type of flow.

for example, 90% of the 3v cai's require a tune because they throw the tune so outta whack

I'm confused? The intake picked up 11RWHP by itself with the "no-tune" insert in it. It picked up 22RWHP with the tune. These were also peak numbers, not the numbers throughout the curve which were much higher....

2011CS - Was that car a manual? Your car on 87 should be somewhat similar to an Automatic on 93... our results are in line.

Nasty, lol you're always drumming up some trouble!

no sure where your getting 22, the custom tune with the stock box got you 379, with the cai 385, thats a 6hp gain from the cai itself

it is a perfect test, and the test i'd like to see on all parts. to be honest, a 6hp gain for the money doesn't seem worth it. i'll order a drop in k&n, and can probably get 1-3 with the tune

 

[Steedman07]

This is a common problem. We have alot of customers who will take the gains from each part and "stack" them on top of each other. My CAI will get me 20, the exhaust will get me 10-15 and the tuning will get me another 10. So that means I'm going to get 40-45. Not neccessarily true.

Thats because some people are fucking retards and use ricer math and add up all the "up to" advertised gains on each mod. Why? Becuase they are dipshits..

 

[2011CS]

I'm confused? The intake picked up 11RWHP by itself with the "no-tune" insert in it. It picked up 22RWHP with the tune.

Stock – no modifications: 363RWHP / 331RWTQ
· Factory tune, Prototype C&L cold air intake: 374RWHP / 338RWTQ
· Bama Custom Tune, stock Airbox: 379RWHP / 357RWTQ
· Bama Custom Tune, Prototype C&L cold air intake: 385RWHP / 362RWTQ

No CAI included baseline was 363 and 379 after the tune, so you picked up 16HP not 22HP on the tune alone.

With CAI included, but no tune, you went from 374 to 385 for a 11 HP gain, which is the same 11HP you got from the baseline to CAI.

YET when you go from tuned to tuned with CAI you only got 6HP, this makes no sense, so I wanted to know what the other factor was.

 

[Hufen]

Why are we only talking about peak numbers? Seriously?

I'd like to see if there was power gained in the lower rpms, that makes a huge difference too...

 

[2011CS]

Why are we only talking about peak numbers? Seriously?

I'd like to see if there was power gained in the lower rpms, that makes a huge difference too...

Chris said at 5400 they were making 28 more RWHP which is great.

 

[Hufen]

Am I the only one that sees that as being worth buying then? That's a pretty damn big improvement if it's increasing over the entire rpm band.

I'd love to see a 93 octane tune stock airbox and 93 octane tune c&l cai. Then overlay the 2, that way we can look at all of the rpm band.. Just my opinion anyways

 

[beefcake]

Thats because some people are fucking retards and use ricer math and add up all the "up to" advertised gains on each mod. Why? Becuase they are dipshits..

are you just stupid??

no one is stupid. this is the kind of test that should be done on every part.

people will slap on a set of headers and tune and claim "26 hp" from our cai!! when the cai is really only 6hp and the tune is 19hp.

same with headers and crap.

for a true representation of what that product gains, it should be done just like this.

tune the car first. then add the part and retune the car for the same a/f and timing. and that is your true number of the parts gain.

personally, i am very happy the test was done like this. why would i want to spend 400 for 6hp, not even close to worth it.

 

[Hufen]

I totally agree, if 6hp is all we see then it's not worth it. I'd really like AM to post the stock airbox with tune vs cai with tune so we can compare the middle rpm band.

are you just stupid??

no one is stupid. this is the kind of test that should be done on every part.

people will slap on a set of headers and tune and claim "26 hp" from our cai!! when the cai is really only 6hp and the tune is 19hp.

same with headers and crap.

for a true representation of what that product gains, it should be done just like this.

tune the car first. then add the part and retune the car for the same a/f and timing. and that is your true number of the parts gain.

personally, i am very happy the test was done like this. why would i want to spend 400 for 6hp, not even close to worth it.

 

[Tommygun]

We saw similar gains with the Steeda CAI

 

[fdjizm]

Why are people using peak gains as the "whole deal", who cares if you get 6 more hp at 6500rpm for a quarter of a second, that's not the end of the gains or test... it's across the whole board that matters, some of you are ignoring the hell out of that, and it almost seems on purpose.

 

[Hufen]

Why are people using peak gains as the "whole deal", who cares if you get 6 more hp at 6500rpm for a quarter of a second... it's across the whole board that matters, some of you are ignoring the hell out of that...

Yea... That's exactly what I'm trying to say. I want to see the graphs of the middle rpm band.

 

[Steedman07]

are you just stupid??

no one is stupid. this is the kind of test that should be done on every part.

people will slap on a set of headers and tune and claim "26 hp" from our cai!! when the cai is really only 6hp and the tune is 19hp.

same with headers and crap.

for a true representation of what that product gains, it should be done just like this.

tune the car first. then add the part and retune the car for the same a/f and timing. and that is your true number of the parts gain.

personally, i am very happy the test was done like this. why would i want to spend 400 for 6hp, not even close to worth it.

Do you like to add up all the claimed horsepower gains from various bolt-ons and expect a car to make that horsepower? If you do then yes you are a retard. If you dont, then you are not....What I am saying is..If headers are claimed up to 30 whp, and pulleys are claimed up to 10 whp, and intake is good up to 25 whp..Then the car should pick up 65 whp?? Not even close, its "ricer" math..Thats what I meant by my statement..

 

[Redfire_WNL]

IMO It doesn't matter either you want to buy it or not and most people buy them so why even care about the gains? Plan and simple I don't buy mine to really expect any big time gains I buy it because I can't stand the look od the stock air box and if that makes me a retard for spending $200-$300 then so be it. Good Numbers and great company!

 

[beefcake]

Do you like to add up all the claimed horsepower gains from various bolt-ons and expect a car to make that horsepower? If you do then yes you are a retard. If you dont, then you are not....What I am saying is..If headers are claimed up to 30 whp, and pulleys are claimed up to 10 whp, and intake is good up to 25 whp..Then the car should pick up 65 whp?? Not even close, its "ricer" math..Thats what I meant by my statement..

thats because most mods are advertised from a bone stock car.

for example, lamotta got 28rwhp from a cai tune, bout the same as am's car. probably 6 from the cai as well, and then picked up another 22 rwhp with the stainless works headers.

you should expect the #'s to add up when you stack if your using real world #'s.

7 hp from cai, 21 from tune, 22 from headers, that is realistic to stack them.

what isn't realistic is when you get companies that will say the cai is worth 11, the tune is worth 21, the headers are worth 30 or whatever when they are figuring adding a tune, etc.. or whatever.

 

[AMChrisRose]

I see where the 6RWHP gains are in question, and I understand where that comes from. Keep in mind we also haven't taken full advantage of the intake yet. What about when we add some headers? Off-road x? Cat-back? Cams? Nitrous?

There are plenty of other items that would greatly benefit the addition of this cold air intake kit. On top of that, this cold air is manufactured VERY nicely, and outflows the factory intake by quite a bit. I see no reason why anyone wouldn't want to put this on. Helping the car breathe is a great thing, in any event... especially when the air requirements are there as well.

And if you look at the stock airbox graph with a tune to the CAI graph with a tune, there are areas where we picked up as much as 9RWHP in some areas in the powerband. Again, this is hard to measure since things help proportionally and not together (lmao @ 'ricer math' as someone put it). I honestly think it's every bit worth the money, and we'll prove that with our upcoming videos (that I can't speak of right now ).

We will have graphs and track times available, but currently those are in the works for an article and cannot be released. I can promise you'll all see them real soon, though!

 

[beefcake]

I see where the 6RWHP gains are in question, and I understand where that comes from. Keep in mind we also haven't taken full advantage of the intake yet. What about when we add some headers? Off-road x? Cat-back? Cams? Nitrous?

There are plenty of other items that would greatly benefit the addition of this cold air intake kit. On top of that, this cold air is manufactured VERY nicely, and outflows the factory intake by quite a bit. I see no reason why anyone wouldn't want to put this on. Helping the car breathe is a great thing, in any event... especially when the air requirements are there as well.

And if you look at the stock airbox graph with a tune to the CAI graph with a tune, there are areas where we picked up as much as 9RWHP in some areas in the powerband. Again, this is hard to measure since things help proportionally and not together (lmao @ 'ricer math' as someone put it). I honestly think it's every bit worth the money, and we'll prove that with our upcoming videos (that I can't speak of right now ).

We will have graphs and track times available, but currently those are in the works for an article and cannot be released. I can promise you'll all see them real soon, though!

this post is worthless without graphs, lol

 

[DKS]

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[Twinscrewgt]

agreed, we need graphs! lol

 

[AMChrisRose]

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[2011CS]

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I don't see it on their site.

Unless you mean that you have to buy the magazine to see the results?