Car is Overheating, Help please

[MikeVistaBlue06]

Yes, after I put the chain on and release the phaser gear because of the tension from the Cams it may have moved to 7 oclock..

Even if it was put on at 7 oclock the timing marks still line up so I don't see how that would cause the timing to be off, I could see it if the chain did not have the dark links as long as the cyl 1 is at TDC and links and marks aline how could it be off?

Here is the timing after I had the cover on.

I don't want to belabor the point, but that mark looks more like 10:00 to 10:30 to me. The divot on the pulley looks more like 11 to me.

I recall when I was a kid, I fucked up the timing on my Mom's car fiddling around. Retarded it quite a bit. It ran like shit (weak) and over heated when she drove it to the repair shop.

HTH

Mike

 

[wdkingery]

sorry to hear!

you can't catch a break can you? sorry to hear it man. you were very helpful for me with your diagram on the FRPP hot rod cam install. i read the whole thread and don't have any great ideas either

on a very vicious, sad note: if you do back out i'll be interested in many of your parts if you decide to back out. trouble is i'm in Amsterdam, and i'm not sure when i'll be coming back.. infact i sold my car to my dad cause i just didn't know when i'd be back.

but i still (legally) call Virginia my home, so if the car goes into parts mode, certainly give me a shout.

[email protected]

 

[2k05gt]

I guess I am going to Pull the heads again, replace the gaskets and bolts
Unless anyone else has an Idea?

 

[GrnBullitt08]

That blows... Im going through some similar bullshit with mine right now. Best of luck to ya. Mine isn't overheating, but it sure runs like shit.

 

[one eyed willy]

did you take out the thermostat completely?

have you removed and inspected the water pump (mechanical stock one i presume)?

checked the hoses to make sure they are not crimped up...i know older hoses had a spring in them to keep them from bending, not sure if ours have those or not?

How does the car run when you first start it up and drive it, before it gets hot? does it run decent?

have you tried a new radiator/coolant cap.....is the rubber gasket still good in your cap, the will distort if you get them too hot and will not seal up tight.....radiator cap has to be sealed up tight!!

what temps do you have the fans set too?

have you confirmed both speeds are working?

what does the temps do if you run the heater in the car when its over heating?



forgive my ignorance, but are those UDP's? and is that the over sized water pump pulley that came with your UDP kit?

id really hate to see you pull the heads because unless you have the wrong head gaskets....i really think you would have other issues and signs of other problems besides just over heating.

 

[2k05gt]

did you take out the thermostat completely?

I took it out but has to cut the spring off and leave the metal ring and gasket because I have the 2005 with the seporate Tstat housing and it leaks when you do not have the metal and gasket in place.

have you removed and inspected the water pump (mechanical stock one i presume)?

I have not.. mostly because the car did not overheat before I replace the heads

checked the hoses to make sure they are not crimped up...i know older hoses had a spring in them to keep them from bending, not sure if ours have those or not?

I have inspected all hoses they look fine, no kinks or cracks

How does the car run when you first start it up and drive it, before it gets hot? does it run decent?

It seems ok, it's hot here so intake temps are high even when cold..
the car still seems like it lacks power, also I notice that the average gas milage has droped 3 mpg

have you tried a new radiator/coolant cap.....is the rubber gasket still good in your cap, the will distort if you get them too hot and will not seal up tight.....radiator cap has to be sealed up tight!!

I have not, it seals fine, I have opened up the cap and I can hear air leak out

what temps do you have the fans set too?

Stock settings I think 190

have you confirmed both speeds are working?

Yes, I was letting the car Idle and checking for leaks I can hear the fan change speeds.

what does the temps do if you run the heater in the car when its over heating?

Good Question, It did not change it stayed hot.

forgive my ignorance, but are those UDP's? and is that the over sized water pump pulley that came with your UDP kit?

Yes UDP with the matching oversized water pump pully

id really hate to see you pull the heads because unless you have the wrong head gaskets....i really think you would have other issues and signs of other problems besides just over heating.

I have been watching the coolent bottle and the level has not changed so there is no coolent leaking,

I have been driving it a few days this week and it over heats sitting in traffic, (230-240) driving it will drop again to (215-220) it takes about 10 minutes sitting in traffic to start to overheat. if I slightly rev the engine the temps will drop a couple of degrees but then rise again when I let off.

I have been "burping" the system so much that I stripped the square hole in the top of the realese bolt. I need to order a new one, anyone have a part number????

Thanks for all your help, I have no where else to turn, everyone has given up on it.

 

[dysan]

I have been driving it a few days this week and it over heats sitting in traffic, (230-240) driving it will drop again to (215-220) it takes about 10 minutes sitting in traffic to start to overheat. if I slightly rev the engine the temps will drop a couple of degrees but then rise again when I let off.

Can you try to run the stock size balancer and water pump pulley? From what you wrote there I wonder if you need more water circulation.

If that works then maybe you're a good candidate for a Meziere pump.

 

[2k05gt]

Can you try to run the stock size balancer and water pump pulley? From what you wrote there I wonder if you need more water circulation.

If that works then maybe you're a good candidate for a Meziere pump.

I would have to change the main pully as well. the oversized water pump pully is made to turn the waterpump as fast as the stock setup before UDP, so swapping the pully would not make a difference.

Thanks for the thought though..

 

[2k05gt]

So I take the car to a friend of mines Mechanic, Old timer, "works on anything" knows engines like the back of his hand...

I explane my issue, and he says "I know how to Fix it" To my shock I was thrilled to here his solution... the next words out of his mouth made me cringe and run for the hills... With a banjo playing style twang he says...
"Put a Chevy engine in it"

Um ok.. so I guess he does not know how to fix it......

I don't know if it's a coincidence because the temps in the Virginia area are 20 degrees lower than last week, but I bumped up my Global Spark 4 deg on the hand held the the temps dropped from 240 to 220. still gets hot when sitting in traffic but has not overheated, I have lost a little coolent in the bottle (about 1/4 inch) but some has boiled out due to the white stains on the bottle and cap.

 

[GrnBullitt08]

That old man is a dick. Giving you hope like that just to saying something retarded.

 

[MikeVistaBlue06]

but I bumped up my Global Spark 4 deg on the hand held the the temps dropped from 240 to 220. still gets hot when sitting in traffic but has not overheated,

I really think you have a timing issue--you increase the timing and it cools down. I bet it runs better too. I would pull it back apart and be absolutely sure you have all of those timing marks aligned perfectly.

Just sayin'...

HTH

Mike

 

[2k05gt]

I really think you have a timing issue--you increase the timing and it cools down. I bet it runs better too. I would pull it back apart and be absolutely sure you have all of those timing marks aligned perfectly.

Just sayin'...

HTH

Mike

Temps went up to 95 today and the car is overheating while sitting in traffic the same as before so it's not a timing issue since I left the timing advanced. as soon as I get moving again the temps will drop quickly to around 215-220 and head temps to 230. stop and sit for 5 min and up to 240 again.

I ordered a 2007 coolent crossover, maybe the holes on the 2007 heads dont match the 05 crossover pipe?

I had Ford Power Flush the coolent system just incase there was a clog in the system, maybe a rodent or something crowled in there. still over heating. I have not lost much coolant over the week, maybe a 1/8 inch in the bottle but I have overheated and there it white stuff leaking out of the lid indicating overheat.

I have no idea what else to do, if the crossover does not work then I am pulling the heads and replacing the gaskets and bolts.

 

[RRRoamer]

When you pull those heads, make SURE the new gaskets are on correctly. I have HEARD that it is possible to flip the head gaskets and everything looks right except you block a coolant passage. That could definitely cause your overheating issue.

 

[tmcolegr]

When you pull those heads, make SURE the new gaskets are on correctly. I have HEARD that it is possible to flip the head gaskets and everything looks right except you block a coolant passage. That could definitely cause your overheating issue.

That's not exactly correct. The LH & RH head gaskets are very different - not just coolant passages but oil passages as well. If the head gaskets were installed on the wrong sides of the engine the entire top end of the engine would not get oil.

 

[RRRoamer]

That's not exactly correct. The LH & RH head gaskets are very different - not just coolant passages but oil passages as well. If the head gaskets were installed on the wrong sides of the engine the entire top end of the engine would not get oil.

I stand corrected! That is why I capped "HEARD"! But from those pics, it would be VERY hard to screw up the gaskets.

 

[2k05gt]

Well, I have now replaced everything I can think of.
1) New Water Pump
2) New Radiator
3) New Hoses
4) New T-Stat
5) New Temp sending unit
6) new Fan realys
7) Converted over to the 2007 coolant Crossover
8) Verified the Timing is correct (Pulled front Cover)

And is still is overheating...
I am pulling the heads this week and hoping that the gasket was wrong,
I have no idea why this thing is doing this. I could use a break right now.

 

[one eyed willy]

Well, I have now replaced everything I can think of.
1) New Water Pump
2) New Radiator
3) New Hoses
4) New T-Stat
5) New Temp sending unit
6) new Fan realys
7) Converted over to the 2007 coolant Crossover
8) Verified the Timing is correct (Pulled front Cover)

And is still is overheating...
I am pulling the heads this week and hoping that the gasket was wrong,
I have no idea why this thing is doing this. I could use a break right now.

what was the original reasons for the heads coming off the frst time around? what was done to the block?

 

[2k05gt]

what was the original reasons for the heads coming off the frst time around? what was done to the block?

Replaced the heads because I Bent a Valve due to a Keeper popping out of the retainer. Stock Block nothing done to it.


http://s223.photobucket.com/albums/d...=BentValve.mp4

 

[one eyed willy]

fixed or replaced with used head?

 

[2k05gt]

fixed or replaced with used head?

Replaced with 2007 Heads with 36K miles on them, I replaced the Springs with Comp Beehive while I was in there.
I sent them to a machine shop to have them cleaned up and surfaced.

I still have the Origional 2005 heads with 80k miles but owe them to Boss281 (he gave me his spare heads to speed up the swap)