Supercharger Kits

[Solar_Eclipse2]

My wife and I have been looking at various supercharger kits for my Mustang. For all intent and purpose they seem the same, different brands and different horsepower levels.

I was looking at the Roush M90 kits as they seem to be on sale. It really looks like for the money it's a nice bump in power. Are there pros/cons to this kit as opposed to the FRPP Whipple kit?

Although I have another vehicle at my disposal it's really not ideal to have my car down for an extended period of time so the following questions come to mind:

How long would the kit take to install myself in the garage? How long should it take a shop to install? The instructions all said 4-5 hours. Is that generally true?

How much would a dealer or shop charge me to install it?

I know that having the car dyno tuned is the best option, however all of the kits come with a tune either via hand held programmer or sending my PCM back to them to have it flashed.

I already have mods on my car, will any of the options take into account my current mods?

I know that was long winded, but I also didn't see anything like a "supercharger kit FAQ" around. If I posted this in the wrong spot please move it but it's not specifically technical so I figured it went here.

Thanks in advance for any answers anyone can provide.

 

[Airborne2000]

My wife and I have been looking at various supercharger kits for my Mustang. For all intent and purpose they seem the same, different brands and different horsepower levels.

I was looking at the Roush M90 kits as they seem to be on sale. It really looks like for the money it's a nice bump in power. Are there pros/cons to this kit as opposed to the FRPP Whipple kit? the roush m90 is good if you want your car to be fun and just have roushs' tune in it. i have a kenne bell and its pretty awsome. had to get dyno tune though.

Although I have another vehicle at my disposal it's really not ideal to have my car down for an extended period of time so the following questions come to mind:

How long would the kit take to install myself in the garage? How long should it take a shop to install? The instructions all said 4-5 hours. Is that generally true? i think it would take a little longer then 4-5 hours. if you have never done one before it could take a while. i would say if you have everything you need, tools, parts...start friday afternoon, you may be done by sunday afternoon. when i installed my Kenne bell it was like 100 pages of install stuff. it took me 3 weeks but i had to buy stuff and do diffrent things.

How much would a dealer or shop charge me to install it? 1000 maybe, just guessing

I know that having the car dyno tuned is the best option, however all of the kits come with a tune either via hand held programmer or sending my PCM back to them to have it flashed.

I already have mods on my car, will any of the options take into account my current mods? what do you have done? you will not need CMDPs anymore. dont use an underdrive pulley, your stock one is best.

I know that was long winded, but I also didn't see anything like a "supercharger kit FAQ" around. If I posted this in the wrong spot please move it but it's not specifically technical so I figured it went here.

Thanks in advance for any answers anyone can provide.

hope some of this helps

 

[Solar_Eclipse2]

Airborne, thanks for some good info. Hope others can chime in as well.

Can you elaborate some more on your comment on just having Roush's tune?

I didn't figure 4-5 hours would be right, especially not having done one before. My wife's cousin is a mechanic though his shop does almost all 'vette work. He may be able to lend a hand.

My current mods that would impact the tune are FRPP cams, FRPP CAI, FRPP headers and exhaust. My gears would need to be in the tune too, I have 3.73's.

 

[Germeezy3]

Airborne, thanks for some good info. Hope others can chime in as well.

Can you elaborate some more on your comment on just having Roush's tune?

I didn't figure 4-5 hours would be right, especially not having done one before. My wife's cousin is a mechanic though his shop does almost all 'vette work. He may be able to lend a hand.

My current mods that would impact the tune are FRPP cams, FRPP CAI, FRPP headers and exhaust. My gears would need to be in the tune too, I have 3.73's.

A couple of quick questions, how much power are you looking for? Do you want a supercharger that will eventually accommodate more power and/ or a built engine? If you value down time and cost the M90 is a good kit but keep in mind its not designed to make much more than 450 to the tire so its great for a stock internal engine at that power level. Its a great blower for the set it and forget it crowd as well and it will provide a fun and reliable car with stock driveability.

But if you think you are going to push for more power and / or forge the internals at some point than the FRPP Whipple will make more outright power and it will make more outright power on your engine with stock internals its just a better blower.

 

[Solar_Eclipse2]

I'm not looking for huge power, it's not going to be a drag car or anything.

Since I live in Chicago I drive in quite a bit of stop and go traffic. There are a few places I can go to romp on it a bit but ultimately it has to be streetable. My wife and I drive the car when we go out with friends and we also take it to the occasional car show and cruise night.

I really doubt that I'm going to upgrade to forged internals. For some reason I was under the impression the 07+ had forged internals but I must be mistaken. If anything I might want to up the boost a tad but just to like 7 psi max.

 

[Germeezy3]

I'm not looking for huge power, it's not going to be a drag car or anything.

Since I live in Chicago I drive in quite a bit of stop and go traffic. There are a few places I can go to romp on it a bit but ultimately it has to be streetable. My wife and I drive the car when we go out with friends and we also take it to the occasional car show and cruise night.

I really doubt that I'm going to upgrade to forged internals. For some reason I was under the impression the 07+ had forged internals but I must be mistaken. If anything I might want to up the boost a tad but just to like 7 psi max.

Well it sounds like you are the perfect fit for an M90, its a great stoplight to stoplight blower and it will be fun!

 

[Solar_Eclipse2]

Well it sounds like you are the perfect fit for an M90, its a great stoplight to stoplight blower and it will be fun!

Sounds good to me. I guess my only other real concern is the tuning. Do you know if the Roush tune takes into account my other mods? Or will I have to install/have the kit installed and then limp the car to my tuner?

I had problems when I bought the car and the shop that tuned it is near 2 hours from me. I have the tune file but he's a Diablo tuner and anyone else near me seems like they're strictly SCT tuners. I really didn't want to have to start from scratch.

 

[Germeezy3]

Sounds good to me. I guess my only other real concern is the tuning. Do you know if the Roush tune takes into account my other mods? Or will I have to install/have the kit installed and then limp the car to my tuner?

I had problems when I bought the car and the shop that tuned it is near 2 hours from me. I have the tune file but he's a Diablo tuner and anyone else near me seems like they're strictly SCT tuners. I really didn't want to have to start from scratch.

You can call them and since it sounds like you have pretty much an FRPP Power Pack they may be able to help. If your not doing the install I would find a shop that could do it and tune the car. Even if not the base tune should be fine to get you to a tuner if you stay out of the boost.

 

[Bullitt3478]

Do a search on the m90 kits.There have been a few installed very recently and guys are loving them.They max around 7 psi and 450 wheel as stated above.Nice little blower for sure.And the price is good.Most of the guys who are getting them are installing them selves and it seems like a weekend project for most.Just taking their time through it.Good luck with your decision.

 

[06whipple]

Whipple HO with ford tune...you won't be disappointed

 

[SilentScope]

m90 with a dyno tune and call it a day.

It seems like that will satisfy your requirements.

With an underdrive pulley and the smallest pulley for the m90, plus a dyno tune, your can def see 440 RWHP, which imho is more than enough for a street cruiser.

A dyno tune will make or break it.

 

[Solar_Eclipse2]

Do a search on the m90 kits.There have been a few installed very recently and guys are loving them.They max around 7 psi and 450 wheel as stated above.Nice little blower for sure.And the price is good.Most of the guys who are getting them are installing them selves and it seems like a weekend project for most.Just taking their time through it.Good luck with your decision.

I'm definitely going to search the m90 kits some more.

Whipple HO with ford tune...you won't be disappointed

Do you have any reasoning behind this? I had been looking at the FRPP kit since I have lots of other FRPP stuff. But I'm certainly not going to make a several thousand dollar investment without any info backing.

m90 with a dyno tune and call it a day.

It seems like that will satisfy your requirements.

With an underdrive pulley and the smallest pulley for the m90, plus a dyno tune, your can def see 440 RWHP, which imho is more than enough for a street cruiser.

A dyno tune will make or break it.

It does seem like from the little be that I've read and been told 450 to the wheels is probably the most streetable HP and the most the stock engine and internals can handle.

 

[808muscle]

I have the m90 and love it. I also have detroit rocker cams and longtubes. Had JDM write me a custom tune for those mods and their CAI. Car runs amazing. Installed with some friends help over the weekend. Not overly technical but a lot of steps. Instructions are very complete. You can view them at the roush site.

You should call JDM, Brenspeed and Roush and ask them questions. All are very friendly and helpful. I have spoken to them all many times.

 

[BruceH]

Whipple HO with ford tune...you won't be disappointed

+1

I'm definitely going to search the m90 kits some more.



Do you have any reasoning behind this? I had been looking at the FRPP kit since I have lots of other FRPP stuff. But I'm certainly not going to make a several thousand dollar investment without any info backing.



It does seem like from the little be that I've read and been told 450 to the wheels is probably the most streetable HP and the most the stock engine and internals can handle.

There's alot of people spouting off who don't own the products you are asking info about. This is the internet and just about anyone can make a suggestion based on what they think they know because someone said so....

I've run the Whipple with the Ford tune. It's just like stock until you get on the throttle. The kit is complete. It will take you a weekend to install. You can change power levels by changing the pulley. The frpp tune will support pulley sizes from 3.125 to 3.625" Thats a wide range of boost and power. FWIW my gen 2 whipple made 436 rwhp with a 3.625" pulley.

 

[Jucostud]

I was gonna due the m90, but in the end, I didnt want to be limited at 450rwhp. Right now that's all I want, but who knows what the future will bring.

 

[KITT]

My wife and I have been looking at various supercharger kits for my Mustang. For all intent and purpose they seem the same, different brands and different horsepower levels.

I was looking at the Roush M90 kits as they seem to be on sale. It really looks like for the money it's a nice bump in power. Are there pros/cons to this kit as opposed to the FRPP Whipple kit?

Although I have another vehicle at my disposal it's really not ideal to have my car down for an extended period of time so the following questions come to mind:

How long would the kit take to install myself in the garage? How long should it take a shop to install? The instructions all said 4-5 hours. Is that generally true?

How much would a dealer or shop charge me to install it?

I know that having the car dyno tuned is the best option, however all of the kits come with a tune either via hand held programmer or sending my PCM back to them to have it flashed.

I already have mods on my car, will any of the options take into account my current mods?

I know that was long winded, but I also didn't see anything like a "supercharger kit FAQ" around. If I posted this in the wrong spot please move it but it's not specifically technical so I figured it went here.

Thanks in advance for any answers anyone can provide.

I dont know where your located or if its a reasonable drive for you but check out www.crt-performance.com in Norwalk Ohio. They installed and tuned my Kenne Bell 10-11 lbs and made 530/447 on their Mustang Dyno and it drives as good as it did when it was stock. I drive it all winter and drive my daughter to dance in it weekly! Its the only car I have to drive. Put it on in May and havent had an issue since.......well ive had a little trouble keeping tires on it! ha ha!

I dont know much about the M90 but whatever you decide Jeff Chambers is a great installer/Tuner. I drive 500 miles to his shop. He also did heads and cams on my car and ive never had an issue! Good luck

 

[whyask]

In the end it really comes down to the size of your wallet

 

[Aandf1978]

The M90 is an awesome, super easy to install, safe for a stock bottom end and reliable blower, and at the sale price it is a GREAT BUY!! Depending where you want to be with your car will ultimately decide what blower you go with. BUT I DO ASSURE YOU don't be fooled by "ONLY JUST 450rwp" you do undertsand that, that is around 170 rwhp bolt on, it won't even be close to the same car you drive now. If you have any intention of going forged internals sure go ahead and go with a Whipple, Procharger, Vortech, etc... but if you don't go with the M90 you WON'T be disappointed!! The M90 is designed to be a TURN KEY blower, Roush provides the base tune, plugs, eveything needed!! Now Roush may not set your base tune with your mods, but I would suggest going with VMP Tuning for the upgrade kit and tune for the M90. Justin at VMP Tuning KNOWS his shit!! The tune will be really close and with a simple data log he can dial it in just as close as a dyno tune!! I have been running my M90 with a VMP upgrade kit and tune, and all I can say is BAD ASS!! Especially when the M90 is running $3349 right now, and in the upgrade kit from say VMP Tuning, there is also JDM, and you are still way under the price of a bigger blower requiring all of the dyo tuning etc... Hope this helps and if you need anything else regarding the M90, info, installation, pics, etc... just let me or any of the others that bought, installed and love their M90 know.

 

[Hatchman]

I was looking at the Roush M90 kits as they seem to be on sale. It really looks like for the money it's a nice bump in power. Are there pros/cons to this kit as opposed to the FRPP Whipple kit?

You wont' be able to go to as high of a boost with the M90. Pros, the M90 is cheaper.

How long would the kit take to install myself in the garage? How long should it take a shop to install? The instructions all said 4-5 hours. Is that generally true?

4-5 hours sounds pretty quick and optomistic, and is possible with experience and helping hands. I'd say expect double that at least. It took me 40 hours to install my first KB, and 20 for the next one, but could do the next one in 12 without any issues. I go slow and make sure it looks clean and is done right.

How much would a dealer or shop charge me to install it?

Expect around $1000. I would do it myself, you will know your own car much better after the install, and make sure it's done right, and save money for other mods.

I know that having the car dyno tuned is the best option, however all of the kits come with a tune either via hand held programmer or sending my PCM back to them to have it flashed.

Get a dyno tune from a good/reputable shop. Even if it comes with a "standard tune", I would get a custom dyno tune. My car hates canned tunes, it was always either puffing black smoke fuel rich or pinging lean.

Thanks in advance for any answers anyone can provide.

The M90 is a good kit, reliable, and worth it if you want to stay under 450 rwhp SAE with the stock block and be faster than 99.99% of all cars on the road for under $4k.

 

[Germeezy3]

I think pretty much everyone agrees that the Whipple is a better blower, but for your power needs and the money you want to spend that the M90 would be a great choice.