M90 owners(other PD guys feel free to chime in)

DesertStang06

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So I've been reading about this blower for over a year.
Almost pulled the trigger but decided to run this engine into the ground first.

Now I'm going to address that the known issues are well apparent.
Low power
High Heat

But like most anything, I would think the heat can be managed.
Costly but can be managed.

Fast forward.
Talked to VMP, have a price and a 1.9 full NA to FI kit, tuning included.
Catch? It's 100 less than I could nab a R2300 setup for.
But only 500 from the base M90 setup.


I doubt I'll go past the CAI addition.
Justin mentioned throwing a GT500 TB just for a few ponies..debating that thought as well.
Before we continue, goals help in replies, so I'll elaborate.

370-400 (not hung up on the numbers, but just a ball park)
No 1/4, no autocross. And I don't wail on the loud pedal while driving.

I'm quite content with whatever I'm putting down now.
But someday with a fresh motor, I'd like a little more.

So yes, modest goals, for a boring driver.


I've read a few threads of you M90 guys doing some good things.
Granted, it's not the best.
Unless you(m90 owners) can talk me out of it with cold hard experience.
I think, it's about right for what I want.

I would be wanting to run either an afco triple pass with fans, or perhaps the 2010 HE. I'm looking into the possibility of running a 13/14 GT500 HE. As the guys I've talked to here say they are holding up nicely. Granted that may be more of the lower intake and blower itself. But it's definitely bigger than the 05-06 kit.
I don't see nor drive in freezing temps here.
So I would be running a steady water/corrosion inhibitor mix for the IC.
I already run 70/30 with rather good success in my cooling system.


I plan only a fresh longblock, possibly Ceramic LTs and O/R H.
Exedy Stage 2
Aluminum Driveshaft.
And may drop to 3.55 or 3.73 for sheer mileage.


I hope to glean a lot of first hand knowledge here.

Oh and to add salt to the already bad idea...temp hasn't peaked yet. 105.3 outside.

I'm trying to manage that a bit with a 2010 GT500 Hood insert.
*possibly* a 9 bar grille.
I figure the basics, more air in, more heat out. etc.

So please learn me some things.
FWIW

looked into the DOB setup, and that's definitely on the table.
I won't be doing this until next year either or. But I like to have a fully formulated plan. OCD perhaps.


And lastly. What EXACTLY is the difference in the 2010 kit that puts it in it's own listing? Because with the better HE and plug and play wiring.
I'd love to just buy that, a few tweaks never hurt an install.
But my google searching isn't yielding much. Hoping someone would know for sure.


Well sorry for the long winded post.
But I know if anywhere this is the more informed place to ask.

Thanks in advance everyone.
 
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The 2010 M90 kit has the CAI on the driver's side, similar to all the other bigger blowers. The earlier ones had the intake tube wrapping around behind the blower, around the right side and then passing over the fan shroud in front of the motor. Also the 2010 version had a very large single pass heat exchanger which covered almost the entire area in front of the radiator. On mine I switched to the Afco dual pass and saw no change in IAT.

Since I had the M90 already, I upgraded to the TVS1900. I had the first one and Justin used my car to write the original tune for the TVS1900 kits. After I dropped in a built motor we ended up pushing it to 643 rwhp on pump gas, hit 699 on race gas on a glory run. IAT was always an issue but it was the price I paid for running 643 rwhp on the street.

That said, starting over I would just go with the TVS2300 kit. Since you will be running lower boost, you will be spinning the blower at a slower speed so you will have less heat generated. You will also have the option of increasing power with a pulley swap (and supporting mods such as injectors, fuel pump, etc). The bigger blower from the start will be much cheaper in the long run.

If you want to read more about my M90, you can check out my old thread here.
http://s197forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=101790
 

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Checking thread now.
But literally!?
The blantent obvious visuals were the only changes?

I thought maybe there was wiring or something unique to the new body design.
Not just more aesthetically pleasing.

Yeah they said for my goals they'd ship it with an 85mm
More than enough to give what I'm looking for he said.

Thanks for that. Checking your link now.
 

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I have a 2010 M90 on my 2010 GT. It doesn't whine like the 05-09 M90's. Boost is slightly higher, 5.8 psi, and > 6 psi on the hwy. With your 105.3 F in the shade, it will be even hotter in the sun. With temps that high, and a car that was probably built in 2005, it's 11 years old, and dated as is. I would not mess with any blower. Any of these 11-14 GT's, with just a cai + LT's + 93 tune will produce 440 rwhp...which is a bunch, and without the complexity of a blower..+ added 100 lbs of front end weight.

You put a $4-6K blower on your 06 with temps that high, and it will just be a heatsoaked mess, pull a ton of timing, and you are back to square one. The rods in the 3v are pretzel sticks. If this was 5-6 years ago, I would have said go for it. You will end up either windowing the block, bending a rod, or replacing /rebuilding the eng with forged items. It will end up an endless money pit. The oem manual tranny /clutch will be the next bunch of issues. 4:10s + blower = spinfest. The oem differential is junk. The oem suspension + brakes leaves a lot to be desired....IE: both need to be replaced.

Either leave it alone, or trade it in on a 11+ car.
 

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Thanks.
Suspension is my winter project.

Motor has 160k
Won't be the same motor I'll be using.
Tranny was a takeoff.
14k
I doubt the frpp unit is much better, but swapped to the "cobra" t lok when I lost a spider gear in my oem setup.


I still haven't mounted my hood vent....
But NA my underhood temps are bonkers.
Shouldn't have been cheap...went SS, should have just bought ceramic. Tweaked the fan temp, helped slightly...mostly in delaying the inevitable.
Ditched the 50/50 mix, went 70/30 Again slight improvement.

When I finish rebuilding my 5.4 my f150 will resume DD duty and I may go back to a water rust inhibitor mix.
Along with a new fan/radiator setup.

I replaced the stocker at 131k due to a leak.




Clutch for my current setup is the mach 350.
Granted it's going out the window with the stock 06 engine.


Not arguing in the least.
Just replying to the concerns you addressed.

I've considered using my mod money for a DP or saving another 14 months and grabbing an 11-12(probably the only person in the world who doesn't like the taillights or headlights of the 13/14s)

But after 11 years...
I'd rather build/rebuild.
Still cheaper than a 19k+ car with less crap to deal with.

But the more I've been playing with my thermo gun and logging..
The more I'm agreeing against a blower.

But I'm still learning a bit anyway.
And I can't bitch about that.
 

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Get a used/new cheap R2300 Roush kit and a fuel pump booster, pulley for 9-10 psi, enjoy your life. If you have iat issues (unlikely) get a 2013 gt500 intercooler pump and a revan/dob heat exchanger. 6 rib drive works great at this level. I've run the same belt on my m90/ 1.9 (similar) for 3 years.

My 3.73's are a great match with my blower and TR3650.
 

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Hello,
I am an owner of an M90 kit with cAI upgrade + 2.49 pulley (just around 8-9lbs boost)
I dynoed in at 402/380 but at close to 100F Yes extremely hot day.
So just around 430/400tq to the wheels.

I love my kit, IAT is just around 110-120 cruising. On idle it can shoot up to 140-150 pretty quickly.



Ford racing 0 degree plugs
Walbro 400LPH fuel pump
Wiring upgrades
Stock intercooler
Roush stock 38lbs injector (may need to replace as they are not atomizing sometimes)

And I will tell you this, When you smash the gas pedal.. You get all 380lbs of torque at the wheels instantly. There no waiting for spool.


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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jn7ZAS6HWY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRx4_7OeRKA
 

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Thanks for the in depth info.
I'd been reading they, hell most will get pretty warm at idle or in traffic.

A bit reassuring to see a few tweaks help bring the temps back down.

I'm not in stop go traffic too much.
Even my most tedious errand equates about 70/30 highway/city


As for the 2300 that, a DOB and this are all in my sights as possible setups.

But I've been finding much more info on the 2300 and DOB than the smaller set up.

While accepting the flaws, I wanted more than just "it sucks"

That's the equivalent of the whole LTs vs Shorties.

Just do this or that, with absolutely no real report or reasoning of why.

So, as always, I truly appreciate everyone's input.

When some details work themselves out, I don't plan to stay in the damned desert any longer than I absolutely must.

I just need to find a decent locale, 93 octane is a massive plus haha
 

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Hello,
I am an owner of an M90 kit with cAI upgrade + 2.49 pulley (just around 8-9lbs boost)
I dynoed in at 402/380 but at close to 100F Yes extremely hot day.
So just around 430/400tq to the wheels.

I love my kit, IAT is just around 110-120 cruising. On idle it can shoot up to 140-150 pretty quickly.



Ford racing 0 degree plugs
Walbro 400LPH fuel pump
Wiring upgrades
Stock intercooler
Roush stock 38lbs injector (may need to replace as they are not atomizing sometimes)

And I will tell you this, When you smash the gas pedal.. You get all 380lbs of torque at the wheels instantly. There no waiting for spool.


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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jn7ZAS6HWY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRx4_7OeRKA

I'd imagine a meizure (however it's spelled) IC pump, larger HE, different cooling mix, and few tweaks would drop those temps slightly , or at least drop them faster once moving.

But yes, you have about what I'm looking for.
I'm going to ask
91 or 93?
Relative elevation and Air density?

Best I get is 91
And I checked our strip info for the day online.
Air density of 7100 or so at the time.

Poor cars.
 

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M90 with LTs, cams, CAI, afco fan, GT500 HE pump and ton of other shit. Blower has been on the car for 6 years with over 500 passes at the drags. Car is super consistant and havnt had any issues. Just get the r2300. Its a better kit.
 

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The 1.6L rotor pack in the M90 was designed to run on a 3.8L V-6.

That's more than "it sucks".:clap:


So that wasn't a rumor?

Hmm
I've been eyeballing that stage III kit of yours.

Cheaper than either of these.
What worries me, is I can at least get a conservative yet reliable tune for either of those.

The asshats here worship imports.
No reputable domestic tuning.

Unless you have an "idea"

That's really been my only reservation on the DOB kit.
 

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So that wasn't a rumor?

Hmm
I've been eyeballing that stage III kit of yours.

Cheaper than either of these.
What worries me, is I can at least get a conservative yet reliable tune for either of those.

The asshats here worship imports.
No reputable domestic tuning.

Unless you have an "idea"

That's really been my only reservation on the DOB kit.

Do remote tuning with Lito. I would say 50% of the GT450 guys do it that way. Not only may he be the best 3v tuner on the planet, he has a lot of time working with the GT450 combo.
 

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BIG +1 for having lito tune. He did the tune for my Whipple HO and it has been fantastic. Great to work with and the tune just works! I even pass emissions!

Now I went a round about way to get my Whipple (Initially bough brand new in the box FRPP Whipple non-intercooled kit from a Ford dealership for $2500. I ran that way for about a year then I ran into an HO upgrade kit (intercooler, heat exchanger + GT500 fuel pumps) for $2000 from Amazon (!). I had the pumps upgraded on the GT500 hat to 340lph pumps and lito handled everything with no problems!

I love the Whipple but if I was just now getting a blower I would def get a DOB setup. Very good bang for the buck!
 

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I've haunted this forum for years.
Lito pops up on many of my Google searches, always led me here.

Whipples are awesome.
Drove a whipple f150, very very cool.
But they are up there, that's for sure.
 

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I'd imagine a meizure (however it's spelled) IC pump, larger HE, different cooling mix, and few tweaks would drop those temps slightly , or at least drop them faster once moving.

But yes, you have about what I'm looking for.
I'm going to ask
91 or 93?
Relative elevation and Air density?

Best I get is 91
And I checked our strip info for the day online.
Air density of 7100 or so at the time.

Poor cars.

Both the mezziere 20/55 gpm pumps are semi useless. You won't get anywhere near those flow rates..even with 2" fire hose on each end..... into a drum of water..and dumping it straight onto the ground.

The mezziere '20 gpm' pump flows slightly less than the oem roush bosch pump. The '55 gpm' mezziere pumps flows a 1/2 gpm more than the bosch pump. Both the mezziere pumps are nothing more than over rated 12 vdc bilge pumps..where you have virtually zero restrictions. IE: loads of flow with no restrictions, and very little flow with any amount of restrictions /back pressure.

To make em work, the restrictions /back pressure has to be reduced..via bigger fittings on the pump / IC /HE /degas..+ bigger diam interconnecting hoses. Plan B is to use a higher pressure pump in the 1st place..like the 13/14 GT-500 pump series.
 

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The 1.6L rotor pack in the M90 was designed to run on a 3.8L V-6.

That's more than "it sucks".:clap:

The M90 / 90 cubic inch blower = 1.48L

With LT's and the 2.49 pulley, VMP measures 460 rwhp on a 2010 with a M90 + LT's, uncatted X, 93 octane, and a manual tranny + FRPP twin 62mm TB.... + vanes cut out of airbox lid. It's a rocket at that point..easily doable.
 

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