PA Alternators: Anyone have any issues?

one eyed willy

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I used to see over 13 (13.8ish)volts at idle. It has nothing to do with the tune, it has to do with the voltage regulator and the diode on the back of the alternator. I love how everyone always blames the tune first. . .

im just trying to help....im not blaming anything, only throwing out possibilities. It is controlled in the tune dispite what you wanna think.....my car has always idled around 12 volts for the past 2 years i actually monitored it.....2 years on the same alternator.

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The stock tune sets 12 volts at idle. Charging system parameters are set to 13.1 for good and charging system bad is 11.89.

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I used to see over 13 (13.8ish)volts at idle. It has nothing to do with the tune, it has to do with the voltage regulator and the diode on the back of the alternator. I love how everyone always blames the tune first. . .

Well, one thing about that IS true.....the PCM does control alternator voltage on these cars. Whether that voltage is variable in the tune, I do not know...I have never seen a variable for that.

When the first alternator in my car went bad, I just outside of Columbia, MO driving home to Columbus, Ohio from a buisness trip. I had been getting intermittant camshaft position sensor codes for a few days, and a check charging system message off and on that day. It was also super hot that week. I knew that the alternator was on its way out, but I hoped that I could get home before it quit. No such luck. I was about an hour out of Columbia when I noticed the voltage dropping on the Livewire. I turned off all of the accessories and started looking for a place to get off the freeway. As I pulled off the Check Charging System message appeared, and the battery light came on at just over 9 volts. It died pulling into a gas station. Luckily, at the time, my car was just inside my extended warranty that I had bought and never used. I called them, and they called a tow truck. He loaded it on the flatbed, and took it to the closest authorized service center, which was Firestone. I told them what was wrong, but of course, they had to verify it. Once they did, they ordered an alternator (this is at about 4:30PM). I went and got something to eat, and waited for my car. They called me at around 6:30 (I think they closed at 6), and said that my car was ready. I picked up my car and hit the road, hoping to make up time getting home. I was maybe 15 minutes out and the Check Charging System message comes back. ...I was like WTF..now Firestone is closed...But, watching the Livewire, the voltage was staying around 14 volts....so I decided to just keep driving. Firestone had put the wrong alternator in, and it did not have the PCM charging lead, but it was internally regulated. I drove to Indianna with no problem, and got a room for the night. The next morning, it started right up, and I drove the rest of the way to Columbus. The day after I got home, I went to the local Firestone and had them put the correct alternator in. They were actually very skeptical about what I was telling thm, and kinda pricks about it...I almost had to go off on them in front of a bunch of potential customers....:rant:
 

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The stock tune sets 12 volts at idle. Charging system parameters are set to 13.1 for good and charging system bad is 11.89.

im just trying to help....im not blaming anything, only throwing out possibilities. It is controlled in the tune dispite what you wanna think.....my car has always idled around 12 volts for the past 2 years i actually monitored it.....2 years on the same alternator.

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Thats good info....thanks :thumb:

I'm not sure why the livewire and a DVM read 13.2-14.5 then.....but it's good to know that the parameters are variable. I don't know how much I would mess with them though. If you get much over 14V you can start damaging components. Plus I wonder how much varience that the voltage regulator could take before putting undue stress on it :question:
 

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Man, I REALLY need to get my hands on the full tuning software...there is just SOOO much to play with. Its WORLDS different than the fox body stuff.

It just goes to show how easily you (or your tuner) could FUBAR your car if you (or him) don't know what you're doing.

Just to play devils advocate...take the knock sensor issue with the new 5.0s....What was standard practice on the 4.6 possibly caused major issues due to subtle differences in a tune. Now, what if someone thought "maybe I'll just bump the alternator voltages up a bit....couldn't hurt, could it?" Well, now the alternator is being pushed to its limits, and combined with heat, it just can't handle it....I'm DEFINATELY not a "blame it on the tune" type of person, and being old school I prefer to rule out everything else first, but just sayin'
 

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im just trying to help....im not blaming anything, only throwing out possibilities. It is controlled in the tune dispite what you wanna think.....my car has always idled around 12 volts for the past 2 years i actually monitored it.....2 years on the same alternator.

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thank you!

My point is, who would make it lower voltage at idle? I just about garantee its not his tune.. Especially considering he is tuned by Justin@VMP. I am running a brenspeed tune myself.
 

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Considering I've ran this set-up & tune with no changes for 2 years I'm saying it's not the tune. LOL I don't think anyone is really saying that though...

When I datalogged it it fluctuated between 11.7 and 12.1 and averaged 11.9v at idle.

I drove it today down to the gas station which isn't far at all and the car felt odd. I can't describe it but maybe it's just a placebo. Just felt like it was going to stall or something.
 

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My point is, who would make it lower voltage at idle? I just about garantee its not his tune.. Especially considering he is tuned by Justin@VMP. I am running a brenspeed tune myself.


dude......im not arguing with you what his problem is, i have no idea at all.....someone had mentioned they had 12 volts at idle and a few people said that was not a good voltage at idle.......its perfectly normal voltage was all i was putting out there.......i know nastystangs issue is not his tune.........i never once said that!!

by default the car is tuned to be at 12volts @ idle..........personally, when i travel far from home, i take my tools and have a spare alternator i take withme,lol!
 
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