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Gas is $1.59 a gallon here in MN this morning, avg price of e85 in my area right now is $1.80.
What do you run for engine oil?Here’s the problem. As I stated earlier there is a lot of disinformation about ethanol in fuel. Just look at the responses in this short thread.
Many of the answers are complicated and nuanced. Ethanol as a fuel began as octane booster substitute in the late ‘70’s when lead was removed from gas. I remember buying Gasahol in ‘79. With no problems btw.
It’s different than gas and can’t be treated the same ways. You wouldn’t put gasoline in a Diesel engine, because it’s not designed for it. Same as putting ethanol in an old car or truck. I can also make the comparison to milk. You can put a bottle of milk in the refrigerator and not touch it for a week, come back and have a drink with no problem. Would you do that if you left it out at room temp for the same amount of time? No. You have to treat it differently. As far as the subsidies go, according to Wiki, since 1980 ethanol producers have revived $45 billion in subsidies, tax breaks for other users add to this but I can’t find a definite amount, and that’s a big number. But guess what? The dairy farmers receive $22 billion a year. And they are filing for bankruptcies everyday. Farmers have received $28 billion so far in bailouts just from trump’s tariffs in the past 18 months. So why all the hate for ethanol? When the price of oil goes back up, and it will. It’s going to hurt the USA and Canada not to have these plants. With the HUGE amount of corn that’s produced in North America, there will be an over supply of corn and the price will fall. Small farms will fail, more bailouts for the big ones.
Amsoil 0W20What do you run for engine oil?
I got news for you. it ain`t the ethanolThe problem with ethanol is its inefficient to real gas and it made the price of beef skyrocket! Corn feeds cattle not gas tanks. As soon as government subsidizes corn for bullshit fuel it raises beef feed and meat prices go way up
Why such a light weight oil in an alky engine?Amsoil 0W20
I got news for you. it ain`t the ethanol
$38 BILLION A YEAR for meat and dairy.
https://medium.com/@laletur/should-governments-subsidy-the-meat-and-dairy-industries-6ce59e68d26
Plus, from here, https://afdc.energy.gov/data/10339
"The amount of corn used for ethanol production increased substantially between 2001 and 2010, as nearly all gasoline was transitioned to 10% ethanol. The increased ethanol seems to have come from the increase in overall corn production and a small decrease in corn used for animal feed and other residual uses. The amount of corn used for other uses, including human consumption, has stayed fairly consistent from year to year. This long-term trend even held true during the drought of 2012, when production, ethanol usage, and feed usage all decreased substantially but other usage held steady. From 2013, the trend remains consistent with production and usage remaining relatively constant."
There is always more than one reason why things happen. You just have to look for them.
XW-20W oil is spec at operating temperatures on the 3V. My used oil analysis shows no increase in wear. If you think 0W-XX oils are light weight, you need to read up on them.Why such a light weight oil in an alky engine?
Wrong.... this was federally mandated by Bush Jr. all the way down to the use of corn instead of more efficient sources such as sugar beets and even kelp and algae.
Or. Does the price of corn drive ethanol production?
Or. Does the price of corn drive ethanol production?
https://farmdocdaily.illinois.edu/2013/10/ethanol-prices-drive-corn-prices.html
https://agfax.com/2018/03/07/u-s-corn-prices-drive-ethanol-production-growth/
Plus, That article you posted is 9 years old. In 2011, the price of crude was $100 a barrel, and gas was $3.50 a gallon. The price of fuel has a huge effect on crop prices. Much more than ethanol production. So, which one was it?
You certainly can stick to your opinion, but as the graph shows, ethanol production has had little effect on the price of corn when compared to crude oil prices. And BTW, I’m 64,it has to do what it did to the price of corn, 2007 is when it really started to change things $2-3 dollars a bushel to $7-$8 a bushel after Pres Bush administration enacted something, read the article. Who knows, maybe you arent old enough to have been buying your own food back then?........ Funny a quart of oil was $1.50 or so before oil went from $25 to $100 plus a barrel, then a quart cost $4 plus. Oil has been in the $50 or less range for a long ass time, has the quart gotten less expensive? NO! all things arent as they seem
I’m not sure what age really has to do with anything gentlemen.XW-20W oil is spec at operating temperatures on the 3V. My used oil analysis shows no increase in wear. If you think 0W-XX oils are light weight, you need to read up on them.
And as I stated earlier, and MrBhp concurs, there is an abundance of corn in this country. If you read the link I posted, you can see in increase in production.
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You certainly can stick to your opinion, but as the graph shows, ethanol production has had little effect on the price of corn when compared to crude oil prices. And BTW, I’m 64,
No, most think its the same thing. I have fields around me that the farmers grow corn for ethanol. They haven't slowed down one bit.You guys do realize that we do not consume the same genetically altered corn that is grown for making alkey-fuel. I was visiting a friend in Idaho who shares part of thousands of acres of engineered hybrid corn that he said was not used for food. He mentioned it had been banned by the EU for human consumption so there was no export market and fuel was their market.
He questioned my age. Read the post.I’m not sure what age really has to do with anything gentlemen.
He’s a conspiracy nut. The government is an evil seven headed Hydra that controls the price of roof shingles.It really just seems like you just are here to argue sir , but that’s cool.
You asked, “Why such a light weight oil in an alky engine?”Low viscosity means something else where you’re from. Do tell more about this expert engine oil analysis. Give some more insight on this miracle closed evaporation free fuel system, and if you have time touch on the effects of alcohol and water in the crank case ?