Video footage from NMRA Milan JDM Superstang class

[US-1]

Oh yeah.....almost forgot. Matthew, you need to look at something.

RULES & REGULATIONS
S197 body vehicles only with OEM type 4.6 or 5.4 (3v or 4v) and V-6 engines only. RENTAL CARS STRICTLY PROHIBITED.
Any modifications or power adders permitted. Any gear change must occur as a result of an internal function of the transmission or from direct action by the driver. Pneumatic, electric, hydraulic, etc. shifters prohibited. Trans-brakes and 2-steps prohibited. This is a Foot Brake Only. 3400 lbs. Minimum weight

 

[GERMANSHEPERD]

I'll post it here too. Why are the cars not weighed after each round and why was he not DQ's right away-but let to continue?

 

[US-1]

The weight rule was not an issue until someone set out to see just how light you could actually get one of these cars. The rule was intended to keep someone from building a body-in-white "purpose built" car. Guess it is time to start cruising these things over the scales after qualifying passes.

 

[Matt D]

Oh yeah.....almost forgot. Matthew, you need to look at something.

ok here we go again about this "2 step"

I don't have a 2 step no msd box what so ever on my car, Im using the SCT tuner. Im leaving at 6200 rpms which is factory limiter. It sounds like a two step because it's bouncing off it.

As far as weight....? before I got to the race I never really looked at the rules.. I knew it had to be a street car with a d.o.t tire... I got teched in they weighed my car and I went on my way and raced nothing wa said to me. Now after the fact im seeing the weight rule..? Im not sure how it matters if it's a bracket style race. My car is not a body in white, shoot I left my plates on the whole time This is my street car

O well now im getting reemed at from all angles because I worked hard getting my car light

Thing is I am the least consistant car in the class with a 5 speed you don't have to worry about me winning squat lol

 

[JimIII@JDM]

Oh yeah.....almost forgot. Matthew, you need to look at something.

He wasn't using his two step we discussed this already, Matt simply is leaving off the Rev limiter!! Also the weight thing is not issue for us, it is 3400 with driver and i know Matt even with a trunk full of Crave cases is shy of that but like you said SD the weight requirement was set there to keep from purpose built cars. Call it what you like "a one race waiver" or what ever, we'll change the rules. Matt drives his car daily, thats the kind of car we want in the class. Matt, his car, and his crave cases are welcome as is in our class any time!

 

[stkjock]

ahh, well watching the vid, I'll say I too thought Matt was using a two step. And Matt, remember who's making the comment....

 

[GERMANSHEPERD]

The weight rule was not an issue until someone set out to see just how light you could actually get one of these cars. The rule was intended to keep someone from building a body-in-white "purpose built" car. Guess it is time to start cruising these things over the scales after qualifying passes.

And that wasnt done?

 

[Matt D]

And that wasnt done?

no one hit the scales...

 

[US-1]

ok here we go again about this "2 step"

I don't have a 2 step no msd box what so ever on my car, Im using the SCT tuner. Im leaving at 6200 rpms which is factory limiter. It sounds like a two step because it's bouncing off it.

As far as weight....? before I got to the race I never really looked at the rules.. I knew it had to be a street car with a d.o.t tire... I got teched in they weighed my car and I went on my way and raced nothing wa said to me. Now after the fact im seeing the weight rule..? Im not sure how it matters if it's a bracket style race. My car is not a body in white, shoot I left my plates on the whole time This is my street car

O well now im getting reemed at from all angles because I worked hard getting my car light

Thing is I am the least consistant car in the class with a 5 speed you don't have to worry about me winning squat lol

Let's get one thing straight right now: I asked because that is what it sounded like in the video. I simply wanted a clarification from YOU on the subject. No harm, no foul. You want to leave on the factory rev limiter then get after it.

Weight: as I understand it this rule was originally put into place to keep the "body-in-white" cars out of this deal. Nobody wanted a purpose built bracket car coming in and stealing the show. Of course, now there is a Cobra Jet showing up so I guess the whole "street car" aspect is done. I don't particularly give two shits if your car is that light or not. However, rules are rules and they need to either A) be followed and enforced or; B) updated for certain combinations. You've done an impressive job getting an S197 down that light. If the class sponsor wants to adjust the rules then they should do so before things get carried away.

One last thing, Matt.......don't give me that whole "the least consistant car in the class with a 5 speed you don't have to worry about me winning squat" crap either. Kenny and Lloyd would argue that heavily with you.

 

[Matt D]

Let's get one thing straight right now: I asked because that is what it sounded like in the video. I simply wanted a clarification from YOU on the subject. No harm, no foul. You want to leave on the factory rev limiter then get after it.

Weight: as I understand it this rule was originally put into place to keep the "body-in-white" cars out of this deal. Nobody wanted a purpose built bracket car coming in and stealing the show. Of course, now there is a Cobra Jet showing up so I guess the whole "street car" aspect is done. I don't particularly give two shits if your car is that light or not. However, rules are rules and they need to either A) be followed and enforced or; B) updated for certain combinations. You've done an impressive job getting an S197 down that light. If the class sponsor wants to adjust the rules then they should do so before things get carried away.

One last thing, Matt.......don't give me that whole "the least consistant car in the class with a 5 speed you don't have to worry about me winning squat" crap either. Kenny and Lloyd would argue that heavily with you.

Well I would say thanks for asking me directly, I wasn't aiming the hate towards you just been getting alot after nmra . I was kidding about the 5 speed and being consistant. As far as the cobra jets in the class, it has bumped it up a bit but as long as they are running d.o.t tires and a full exhaust it shouldn't matter. In the end most of our cars work well on the strip and wouldn't have a problem competing. What im getting at is I teched in and and weighed the car and I got the A-Ok to run superstang so I wasn't aware. If Jim doesn't change the weight break I have to run more weight it's as simple as that. I don't want to break rules thats not what im about, regarding the two step I got deffensive because ive explained it to a few people already, I had my hood popped in the lanes so everyone could see im not hiding anything. The msd 2 step connects to the coil packs and I run without one.

 

[stkjock]

duh.... never mind

 

[06vistabluegt]

You could launch at 6200 on DOT's? Our track prep must be really bad where I race. I can't launch past 5500 and even then I have to feather the clutch. Nice runs!

 

[US-1]

You could launch at 6200 on DOT's? Our track prep must be really bad where I race. I can't launch past 5500 and even then I have to feather the clutch. Nice runs!

Your car isn't 3200 lbs either.

 

[kdesigns]

III, Matt,
Just my 2 cents, but we've all seen the threads on the NMRA forum where they were getting their little panties in a wad over someone using Dial-In Marker instead of having permanent numbers. The NMRA is famous for being sticklers for the rules. So, either change the rules (and post them well enough in advance so that everyone can react), or take the beating that comes from not following the exact letter of the rules. As I'm constantly being reminded, "we're not in Baton Rouge anymore, Toto"...

p.s., I LOVE this class!

 

[JimIII@JDM]

You could launch at 6200 on DOT's? Our track prep must be really bad where I race. I can't launch past 5500 and even then I have to feather the clutch. Nice runs!

We used to religously leave off the floor with our 05 stick shift car when it was NA and we used to run 12.20's -12.40's all we ran were a set of 17 ET streets. Its track prep and suspension

 

[06vistabluegt]

Your car isn't 3200 lbs either.

Good point. I'm using 17" ET Street Radials too. That might be holding me back a little.

 

[US-1]

As I'm constantly being reminded, "we're not in Baton Rouge anymore, Toto"...

Or is that Denham Springs?

 

[JimIII@JDM]

III, Matt,
Just my 2 cents, but we've all seen the threads on the NMRA forum where they were getting their little panties in a wad over someone using Dial-In Marker instead of having permanent numbers. The NMRA is famous for being sticklers for the rules. So, either change the rules (and post them well enough in advance so that everyone can react), or take the beating that comes from not following the exact letter of the rules. As I'm constantly being reminded, "we're not in Baton Rouge anymore, Toto"...

p.s., I LOVE this class!

Thanks Keith, we are on the same wave length here i already submitted the rules change this morning just so there isn't any further issues....I love this class too!!!


For the record:

NON POWER ADDER CARS minium weight 3200lbs
POWER ADDER CARS minimum weight 3400lbs

These rule changes was made not to accomidate any one particular racer but for everyone. The weight of the vehicle is not going to give one racer an advantage compaired to the next. If we have a competitor in the class who is trying to go fast Naturally aspirated we fully understand that weight reduction is part of the game. However we have to have a limit at some point so someone doesn't show up with a purpose built vehicle.

As far as the Cobra Jet, it is a purpose race vehicle but the guys who raced this weekend went out of their way to make the cars fit the rules by changing exhaust and tires. That says alot to modifiy an already race ready car to fit class rules. They are playing by the book. The car is race purpose but its also a factory production car which is what we are trying to draw to the class.


I think we have a great thing here (Super Stang) and everyone has openly discussed their opinions in an adult matter, something that rarley happens! We have some really great people competing in the class and we couldn't ask for anything more! Thanks everyone who has particiapted so far and plans to in the future!

JimIII@JDM

 

[US-1]

I think we have a great thing here (Super Stang) and everyone has openly discussed their opinions in an adult matter, something that rarley happens!

On here, yes. On the NMRA board........no way in hell. CJ boy is pissed at me for my lack of smilies and the way he percieved my initial post. Please inform him what happens in eliminations when you piss me off.


Now Jim.....about that weird qualifying thing.......................

 

[ArtQ]

Thanks Keith, we are on the same wave length here i already submitted the rules change this morning just so there isn't any further issues....I love this class too!!!


For the record:

NON POWER ADDER CARS minium weight 3200lbs
POWER ADDER CARS minimum weight 3400lbs

These rule changes was made not to accomidate any one particular racer but for everyone. The weight of the vehicle is not going to give one racer an advantage compaired to the next. If we have a competitor in the class who is trying to go fast Naturally aspirated we fully understand that weight reduction is part of the game. However we have to have a limit at some point so someone doesn't show up with a purpose built vehicle.

As far as the Cobra Jet, it is a purpose race vehicle but the guys who raced this weekend went out of their way to make the cars fit the rules by changing exhaust and tires. That says alot to modifiy an already race ready car to fit class rules. They are playing by the book. The car is race purpose but its also a factory production car which is what we are trying to draw to the class.


I think we have a great thing here (Super Stang) and everyone has openly discussed their opinions in an adult matter, something that rarley happens! We have some really great people competing in the class and we couldn't ask for anything more! Thanks everyone who has particiapted so far and plans to in the future!

JimIII@JDM

Cool Jim, thanks for the info!