Factory Shifter Handle Innovators Post Here - Need Ideas

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Okay. This is my fourth Stang and second S197. In the past I have always changed the shifter, but this time I'd rather not. I actually think the factory one is silky smooth (some would call it sloppy ... that's their right). However, I never have trouble finding gears, even under WOT ... That said ...

I am 6'4". Unfortunately, no one designs automobile ergonomics around tall people. So ... to sit properly in my Mustang, I have to scoot the seat all the way back, lower the seat to its lowest point and tilt the seat back some. Then I can see redlights under the visors if I don't pull too far up.

Anyway, my height seems to be in my legs because, while I can reach the steering wheel fine, the shifter in it's stock configuration is too far foward; hence my desire for a handle that brings the stock shifter up and back. Both the Hurst and Steeda shifter handles accomplish this well. (My last S197 had a Hurst).

Unfortunately, no one seems to make an adaptor to make a Hurst handle (or Steeda handle) fit the factory shifter. It doesn't seem like rocket science, but I am not a machinist. The Steeda handle, it seems like it might be possible to drill and tap the bottom of the handle such that it accepts the factory threads. It's possible the side walls might be a little thin requiring some additional welded reinforcement.

It seems like the Hurst handle would work with a cylinder (bored out to the factory 12x1.25 threads) welded to a vertical plate with the required two mounting holes. Again, it doesn't look like rocket science, but no one has done it.

Has no one found a way to mount the Hurst or Steeda (Billet Pro Street) or Barton Flat Stick shifter handle to the factory shifter to the stock handle? Has anyone fabricated a cool solution to the short/stubby stock shifter placement and retained their factory shifter?

Please post your solutions (with pics if possible). Oh ... and yes, I know the simple solution is to buy an aftermarket shifter. I have also seen the endless MGW rules, Barton rules, Pro 5.0 is good, Steeda is good, and the love/hate relationship with the Hurst. I'm trying to go in a different direction here.

Hot rodders are known for innovative solutions ... so let's see/hear what you got!
 

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Of course I searched. The problem is still the same. Both of those threads show people fabricating handles to work with aftermarket shifters. The popular mod is to take the Hurst handle, weld it to a round bar and mount it in the MGW shifter. Still doesn't solve my question ... how to make one of these longer shift handles (Hurst, Barton Flat Stick, Steeda Pro Billet, etc.) work with the factory shifter.

I'm just stunned with 5 years of production and 10's of thousands of these on the road that no one has developed a solution for this. I would think that the first person/company to develop an adapter for the Hurst handle to the factory shifter would make a small fortune.
 

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I'm just stunned with 5 years of production and 10's of thousands of these on the road that no one has developed a solution for this. I would think that the first person/company to develop an adapter for the Hurst handle to the factory shifter would make a small fortune.

Um, quite honestly, the stock shifter is one of the biggest pieces of shit Ford put into the car. After being locked out of third a few times, I couldn't wait to be rid of it. My MGW isn't a little better, it's absolutely night and day and worth every cent. I wouldn't pay $1 to do anything for the stock shifter other than pay a recycling fee. When you say small fortune, the operate word is SMALL.
 

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Um, quite honestly, the stock shifter is one of the biggest pieces of shit Ford put into the car. After being locked out of third a few times, I couldn't wait to be rid of it. My MGW isn't a little better, it's absolutely night and day and worth every cent. I wouldn't pay $1 to do anything for the stock shifter other than pay a recycling fee. When you say small fortune, the operate word is SMALL.

It's funny. I've owned two S197's and never missed a shift under WOT with either. I've also logged a lot of time with Hurst shifters in an S197, an 01 Bullitt, a 95 5.0, an 88 5.0 LX and a 68 GT. I get the appeal of a notchy positive engagement shifter, but I don't believe it is necessary for speed (there are a couple of really quick quarter milers on this forum with the stock shifter) or comfort.

Saleen, after analyzing the factory shifter, took their supercharged 3V mustangs and left them with the factory shifter with a single modification (the Saleen Short Shifter Block) which bolted on to the bottom of the linkage to shorten the throws slightly. Otherwise, they left the bushings and the linkage intact. When mounted properly, a stock shifter with the Saleen block is one of the smoother shifting shifters on an S197.

Other folks have firmed up the feeling of engagement on the factory shifter with Steeda poly bushings. The 2-3 lockout that you have observed (which I have not) has also occurred in several aftermarket units. The fix seems to be the CHE brace.

I've driven one with an MGW (Gen 1) and it is a well engineered unit. I'm not criticizing it. I'm not a fan of the MGW stick and prefer the swept back geometry of the Hurst (and Steeda and the old Roush shifters for the SN95's).

Anyway, as I stated in the OP, I'm well aware of those who prefer aftermarket shifters. I was just surprised that no one sells an adapter for those of us who would be happy with the factory shifter with a different handle/ball.
 

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I respect what you are saying, but there aren't three people on earth that like the stock shifter. I actually have my MGW set at three turns out of ten possible. It isn't notchy in the least (at five turns or more it is). WOT is one thing, how fast you go for the next gear is another. Mentioning all the older Mustangs without the remote shifter like the S197 has, is like saying I've shifted gears in a 1972 International dump truck, it has no bearing on the S197 either.
 

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Have you actually looked at a stock shifter to see how the handle is attached? I can tell you short of destroying the plastic covered ball and stamping the handle goes into there is no way of doing what you want to do with a stock shifter. The Saleen Speedlabs is a stop gap. I have one on my old shifter right now. It made shifts better but not good by any means. Even the Hurst Billet Comp Plus is not good in comparison to a MGW or Barton. I have had all three.
 

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