Flat Black Paint.. White Water Spots??

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Alright, hopefully the pros here can help me with this..

I got my hood painted flat black back in September and it seems to have grown spots.. Every time I wash it, more seem to appear so I'm assuming it's in the soap.

I use Dawn dish soap because I was told that flat black should not be waxed. I forgot that on the first two washes while using a car soap with wax already mixed in and have been using Dawn since then.. did I mess the paint up from day one?...

Here is a picture of the spots.

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Do you think it's the dish soap that's really doing it? I have heard it's not the best but not that it was this bad.

Before I got the paint done I asked about how to take care of it but all I basically was told was not to use wax. Nothing specific about how to keep the paint up.

Thanks for the link by the way. I will see if I can find a soap with out wax.
 

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Stay away from dish soap. They dry out clear coat and trim, not meant for cars due to heavy alkaline contents.

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So basically what I can gather from this, I need to find a Matte Paint Sealant to add after a wash in order to keep these spots from appearing? Have I messed up the paint or are these going to slowly go away after I use the sealant a few times?
 

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So basically what I can gather from this, I need to find a Matte Paint Sealant to add after a wash in order to keep these spots from appearing? Have I messed up the paint or are these going to slowly go away after I use the sealant a few times?

Not after every wash, but you do need to have some form of protection on there that lasts a few months.

Dish soap essentially strips everything. So when you wash with it, you're also removing it from your standard clear coat areas.

Sealant wont remove those spots either, you need to wash and clean them.
 

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Well I guess we will see how well I can manage to take care of it. Hopefully the spots will stay away after the new wash and seal.
 

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ZPounds09GT:

You might have some luck using distilled or deionized water in a spray botle after you wash the hood. The dissolved solids deposited from the tap water are causing the spots so a little follow-up spritz with distilled water and a quick, light wipe with a soft (microfiber?) towel will eliminate the spots. YMMV.

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ZPounds09GT:

You might have some luck using distilled or deionized water in a spray botle after you wash the hood. The dissolved solids deposited from the tap water are causing the spots so a little follow-up spritz with distilled water and a quick, light wipe with a soft (microfiber?) towel will eliminate the spots. YMMV.

HTH,

Chris

Yeah I can try that. How long does the water have to sit before it's distilled?

try chemical guys, they should have everything you could possibly need.

I have heard of Chemical Guys a good bit, I think I checked out their site but can't really remember. I'll check it out again anyway.
 

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ZPounds09GT:

You might have some luck using distilled or deionized water in a spray botle after you wash the hood. The dissolved solids deposited from the tap water are causing the spots so a little follow-up spritz with distilled water and a quick, light wipe with a soft (microfiber?) towel will eliminate the spots. YMMV.

HTH,

Chris

Good advice for preventive maintenance, those spots are etched in there currently. Will require an abrasive to remove from the looks of the pictures or at least a heavier APC.
 

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Good advice for preventive maintenance, those spots are etched in there currently. Will require an abrasive to remove from the looks of the pictures or at least a heavier APC.

They are etched in now.. I couldn't use Meguire's Ultimate Compound to get it out could I?.. What is an APC?
 

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They are etched in now.. I couldn't use Meguire's Ultimate Compound to get it out could I?.. What is an APC?

All purpose cleaner, you do not want to use a polish or compound on a matte paint.
 

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All purpose cleaner, you do not want to use a polish or compound on a matte paint.

Oh alright. Any all purpose cleaner you think is safe? Like Simple Green or something? That's what I thought, I haven't used any because I thought it would mess it up.
 

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Oh alright. Any all purpose cleaner you think is safe? Like Simple Green or something? That's what I thought, I haven't used any because I thought it would mess it up.

Meguiars APC+, Chemical Guys APC.

Most APCs are concentrate, so you dilute them to strength.
 

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Meguiars APC+, Chemical Guys APC.

Most APCs are concentrate, so you dilute them to strength.

Alright, thanks! Sorry if I sound a little stupid about all of this stuff, I'm definitely a novice at all of this proper detailing and the lingo that goes with it.
 

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Alright, thanks! Sorry if I sound a little stupid about all of this stuff, I'm definitely a novice at all of this proper detailing and the lingo that goes with it.

Also try chemical guys citrus wash daily, put about 1oz into a 16oz spray bottle, fill the rest with water, that can be another alternative.
 

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Good info in here... My Forgestars that are currently being made are Matte Black. I'll definitely be using this thread when it comes time to cleaning them.
 

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