Ground Control Caster Camber Plate

[Mountain]

We carry the Ground Control CC plates, we've ran them on a few tracks here in Germany with zero issues. They've also updated and beefed up their CC brackets. Great quality for those looking to offer a bit more adjustment.

I hope so! I was not happy with the brackets on my set. Disconcerting in respect to trusting the durability... and you can see what happened to mine. Otherwise, a very nice camber plate.

 

[Whiskey11]

I hope so! I was not happy with the brackets on my set. Disconcerting in respect to trusting the durability... and you can see what happened to mine. Otherwise, a very nice camber plate.

Strange, when did you buy your GC plates? My original set (circa February of 2013) of brackets came with rounded heads tack welded in place. The brackets I replaced them with (circa February 2014) also had rounded heads tack welded in place. The only reason I replaced the first set is because I over torqued a stud accidentally and it snapped halfway up the threaded section. I haven't had issues with either set beyond that one snapped stud and I can't attribute that to anything but user error on my part. I use a torque wrench and torque to the specced 24lbs/in now to prevent that issue.

Then again, following directions, who the hell does that anyway? I didn't on the first set and paid the price for my ignorance. This set has been great too.

 

[Racer47]

Thanks for all the input guys. I just ordered the MM plates.

I would have actually preferred the GC design with the poly donut instead of rod end bearing but after searching harder (based on Mountains input) there do seem to be a lot of GC failures.

Plus I just could not see spending $500 for Vorshlag (and I didnt want to risk being called a poser by DevGittinJr because I am a Khttp://s197forum.com/forum/member.php?u=15928oni-sportin' weekend guy)

 

[jayman33]

See my posts:

http://bossmustangsonline.com/index.php?topic=7177.0

I have been told by some (not throwing out names of shops) they have seen the same.

If you see the new brackets you can see they fixed the issue.

 

[Mountain]

If you see the new brackets you can see they fixed the issue.

I'd love to see them. Any pictures.

 

[Mountain]

Strange, when did you buy your GC plates? My original set (circa February of 2013) of brackets came with rounded heads tack welded in place. The brackets I replaced them with (circa February 2014) also had rounded heads tack welded in place. The only reason I replaced the first set is because I over torqued a stud accidentally and it snapped halfway up the threaded section. I haven't had issues with either set beyond that one snapped stud and I can't attribute that to anything but user error on my part. I use a torque wrench and torque to the specced 24lbs/in now to prevent that issue.

Then again, following directions, who the hell does that anyway? I didn't on the first set and paid the price for my ignorance. This set has been great too.

"24lbs-in"???

I thought the GC plates said something like "24lb-ft" and the instructions said "18lb-ft"...

 

[Whiskey11]

"24lbs-in"???

I thought the GC plates said something like "24lb-ft" and the instructions said "18lb-ft"...

My bad, the plates say 24lb*ft and I wrote lbs*in. I've been torquing to 24lb*ft without incident.

 

[Vorshlag-Fair]

I don't like to pop into threads about competitors parts, and I'm not saying a word about GC or MM or Steeda camber plates (good or bad), just defending our product and pricing after a few comments like the one below.

IMO - The Vorshlag pieces are nice, no doubt probably the best, but $500 c/c plates? I can't see where the Vorshlag plates are worth the extra $250, to a noncompetitive driver. Especially when most people run $800 Konis, and think they're the shiznit. Seems a bit lame. Yeah, for the dedicated track car with JRZ's, spend $500 on c/c plates, f'sho, but for the Koni-sportin' weekend guy, seriously? Pose much?

I'm not the least bit impressed by anything GC makes.

DevGittinJr - There are several reasons why our camber/caster plates for the S197 chassis cost more than others. And when we see drivers trash a set of $250/each front tires in a track weekend the costs seem somewhat justified. We've had a lot of people say "these plates paid for themselves in the first track event". Do you need our plates to roll to the grocery store? Of course not. But if you put your Mustang through the wringer at an autocross or road course event, camber-caster plates are a solid "first suspension upgrade" investment. And our's are built for the long haul...



One place where we incur additional costs is the fact that we sell all of our camber plates with additional pieces that most other camber plates do not include, namely new UPPER SPRING PERCHES that have INTEGRAL sealed double row radial bearings. This radial bearing takes the twisting motion of the strut shaft AWAY from the spherical bearing (which is made to pivot only, but not twist axially).

• http://www.vorshlag.com/sphericalbearing.php - more tech here

There is also a lower price when you get our CNC coilover style upper perches ($439) vs the fabricated OEM perches - because the 2.25", 60mm or 2.5" coilover perches are easier to make. We take a completely different engineering philosophy when we make our camber plate designs, as well. We use larger spherical bearings, the added radial bearing, engineer each plate with the material thicknesses and strength needed to take higher impact loads, take into account bump travel and stack up heights, and every single set of camber plates is made to order - with parts changing to fit the strut's upper pin profile and spring diameter.

We also add in caster adjustment to the S197 plate (some of which is only achievable if you modify the strut towers - that many race cars do), which many other plates lack. The ease of adjustment track side can also be radically different from brand to brand. All of our parts are machined in the USA, so there's no overseas "sweat shop savings" in the parts costs. We've been making and improving our designs since 2003, and I'm not getting rich off of camber plate sales, not hardly. The way we do things isn't the easiest or cheapest way to make a "one size fits all" camber plate, but its the way to make one last a decade or more.

I've seen some camber plates fail the bearings in a matter of weeks, whereas we have customers that have exceeded 125,000 miles of use on the same bearings. The set on my car has 19,000 miles on them, most of that on track, and they are still silent and trouble-free. If you don't care about clattering noises, popping when you turn the steering wheel, or constant maintenance - don't buy our plates. There's no "lameness" or "posing" going on, just solid engineering into a long life part.

Cheers,

 

[modernbeat]

Terry glossed over the fact that we make our plates so they are easy to reconfigure for different suspensions. If you change suspension, we will sell you only the parts you need to swap the camber plates to the new struts. If you do end up damaging one, we can provide just the parts to keep it going. No need to buy a whole new set of camber plates.

 

[Racer47]

Well said Vorshlag guys.

But there is always a money trade off. I just can't buy every single best part available for essentially a play car. My goal is to make the best car I can within a reasonable amount of spending. If money was not an issue we'd all have garages full of Lambos, Ferarri's and McLarens and houses full of super models.

I don't doubt your plate is better. But in my mind, $350 already seems expensive for a camber plate. If I made the wrong choice, then my $150 savings turns into a $350 loss.

If my MM plate breaks or makes noise, I'll fess up to it, order yours and give you free rein to say I told you so.

 

[DevGittinJr]

Doesn't "IMO" work like "With all due respect..."?

Anyhoo, I think I said "...no doubt, probably the best..." in reference to the Vorshlag c/c plates.

Well said Vorshlag guys.

But there is always a money trade off. I just can't buy every single best part available for essentially a play car. My goal is to make the best car I can within a reasonable amount of spending. If money was not an issue we'd all have garages full of Lambos, Ferarri's and McLarens and houses full of super models.

I don't doubt your plate is better. But in my mind, $350 already seems expensive for a camber plate. If I made the wrong choice, then my $150 savings turns into a $350 loss.

If my MM plate breaks or makes noise, I'll fess up to it, order yours and give you free rein to say I told you so.

^ This.

Terry, I meant no disrespect. IIRC, you're killin' it locally (track records and what not), so if anything I'm hoping to learn from you guys. I just don't think one needs the best of everything to get out there. The MM plates really are a nice compromise. IMO

ECR is my local track (I'm 2 hours east of DFW), and soon enough you'll be able to call me on that last quote in bold print. - to my face, even

 

[jayman33]

Cortex also uses Ground CC plates. Here is a little pic, I'll try and get a more detailed one. I think there is a reason they use GC.

 

[Whiskey11]

Cortex also uses Ground CC plates. Here is a little pic, I'll try and get a more detailed one. I think there is a reason they use GC.

I think in the past they've also used MM's plates too.

 

[2013DIBGT]

think there is a reason they use GC.

A birdie once told me the GC/MM units offer extra bump travel benefits due to their lower profile.

 

[csamsh]

I think there is a reason they use GC.

Cheap?

lol

[/camber plate elitism]

 

[DevGittinJr]

A birdie once told me the GC/MM units offer extra bump travel benefits due to their lower profile.

The MM plates do offer bump travel adjustment, with spacers. Spacing, or how much bump travel, is mostly dependent upon the type of strut used (mono or twin-tube).

I wonder who's c/c plate design FRPP ripped off...

http://rehagenracingproducts.com/CASTER-CAMBER-PLATE-FR500S-M-18183-B.htm