Lethal offroad x question (moved 2011)

[stkjock]

Then don't mod the car

 

[Jared@Lethal]

I know ours is not Lethal's. But our BBR 3" Off Road X-pipe for the 2011 5.0 4V makes on average 20 rear wheel horsepower. We see on average around 30 rear wheel horsepower with longtubes and x-pipe.

You're wrong. The pipe you call the BBR pipe is infact the Lethal Performance pipe.. You just happen to buy them through another source (you know who I'm talking about) that purchases from the place we have them made. Unfortunately when I took our car to them and had them mock up the first pipe I never spoke about an exclusive deal on them. So when the production pieces were available they were able to be purchased by other shops who deal with the same source. Lesson learned which is why when I had the H-pipe made I paid for it to be ours exclusively and I wouldn't see a BBR H-pipe released shortly after...

So why you need to be dishonest and tell people that it's made in Boca and it can't possibly be Lethal's is beyond me. Now I like to avoid confrontation as much as possible but when I see something like this I'm going to set the record straight. I have nothing against you, Chris or BBR so lets not make this personal. It's business.

Here's the pipe being mocked up on our car (not in Boca). This is the original pipe before it even went into production.

Maybe now you'll stop bullshitting everyone about who's pipe it is.

Jared

 

[wbt]

You're wrong. The pipe you call the BBR pipe is infact the Lethal Performance pipe.. You just happen to buy them through another source (you know who I'm talking about) that purchases from the place we have them made. Unfortunately when I took our car to them and had them mock up the first pipe I never spoke about an exclusive deal on them. So when the production pieces were available they were able to be purchased by other shops who deal with the same source. Lesson learned which is why when I had the H-pipe made I paid for it to be ours exclusively and I wouldn't see a BBR H-pipe released shortly after...

So why you need to be dishonest and tell people that it's made in Boca and it can't possibly be Lethal's is beyond me. Now I like to avoid confrontation as much as possible but when I see something like this I'm going to set the record straight. I have nothing against you, Chris or BBR so lets not make this personal. It's business.

Here's the pipe being mocked up on our car (not in Boca). This is the original pipe before it even went into production.

Maybe now you'll stop bullshitting everyone about who's pipe it is.

Jared

Great post.

BBR hijacked the OBX header thread and really made an ass out of themselves there.

I will not buy a single part from them or recommend their services to anyone. Bullshit company with bullshit ethics.

 

[BAKnBLK2010]

You're wrong. The pipe you call the BBR pipe is infact the Lethal Performance pipe.. You just happen to buy them through another source (you know who I'm talking about) that purchases from the place we have them made. Unfortunately when I took our car to them and had them mock up the first pipe I never spoke about an exclusive deal on them. So when the production pieces were available they were able to be purchased by other shops who deal with the same source. Lesson learned which is why when I had the H-pipe made I paid for it to be ours exclusively and I wouldn't see a BBR H-pipe released shortly after...

So why you need to be dishonest and tell people that it's made in Boca and it can't possibly be Lethal's is beyond me. Now I like to avoid confrontation as much as possible but when I see something like this I'm going to set the record straight. I have nothing against you, Chris or BBR so lets not make this personal. It's business.

Here's the pipe being mocked up on our car (not in Boca). This is the original pipe before it even went into production.

Maybe now you'll stop bullshitting everyone about who's pipe it is.

Jared

Thanks for posting up the facts Jared. I knew they were the same from the pics on BBR's website. Shame on John for misleading everyone.

 

[wbt]

Deserves a bump.

 

[*JZ*]

You're funny Jared.

You've told me first hand that you have some place in Miami make them for you. That you were down there test fitting and everything.


Ours are made right here in Boca Raton.

So before you go running your mouth and throwing your slander around. I'd make sure you get your facts straight pal.

 

[Jared@Lethal]

Ours are made right here in Boca Raton.

So before you go running your mouth and throwing your slander around. I'd make sure you get your facts straight pal.

You mean you buy them from someone in Boca that buys them from the place in Miami that I have them made?

You got caught you in your own lie and you're gonna try and turn it around on me?

Here's my post on June 15th.
http://s197forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=36554

Then yours in August shortly after Greyhound started supplying them to you. You can bullshit others but not me.
http://www.s197forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=41334

 

[*JZ*]

Greyhound is in Boca. You told me you had yours made in Miami. Who's lying to who bro?

I'm over it. I get phones calls after phone calls of shoppers that call us for pricing after they speak with you and a good amount of them have no problem telling me all the crap a few of your sales folks talk about BBR as well as other competitors in the industry.

I think that's just WRONG.

So have a good day Mr. Rosen

 

[Jared@Lethal]

Greyhound is in Boca. You told me you had yours made in Miami. Who's lying to who bro?

I'm over it. I get phones calls after phone calls of shoppers that call us for pricing after they speak with you and a good amount of them have no problem telling me all the crap a few of your sales folks talk about BBR as well as other competitors in the industry.

I think that's just WRONG.

So have a good day Mr. Rosen

It's not even worth going into it anymore as it's too far over your head. You simply don't understand.

In regards to BBR we have nothing bad to say about them. Chris and Liz have been good to us over the years which is why when customers call us and say that BBR was talking us down I don't take it personally. I know it's not them and most likely being done by you. Just as we've seen in this thread you like to mislead and bs customers for the sale. You're just upset that I called you out for lying about the X-pipe.

As far as the rest of the industry is concerned we get along with most of our competitors. Even D'Agostino who we were in court with for 2 years, Evolution, and our biggest competitor American Muscle we get along with fine.

Maybe if you worked on being a little more honest with your dealings you might not find yourself in these types of situations.

Jared

 

[*JZ*]

Alright. Then I apologize for my rant.

 

[DDTCM]

Then don't mod the car

Let me reword that........Im worried about factory bugs and warranty.After I put some miles on her and everything pans out then i will mod the shit outta her.

 

[Justin00Stang]

For Jared's sake, I won't say who makes them, but we all pretty much know its one company in Miami that does a bunch of mild steel exhaust work.

FWIW, when NA our 2011 5.0L dropped a tenth and picked up a MPH when I deleted the cats. Now that it has a rouscharger on it running low 10s, I think not having the cats has helped even more. We recently put longtubes on it, there was a gain, but not as larger as what some manufacturers are claiming.

 

[filtercharger]

Sooo, where and who do I get mine from? j/k guys, is great to see that everything is cool now, but I still need one! I prefer the H as I don't like the raspiness of the X. My car has a 2.8LC Kenne Bell, would I really notice any difference in power between the two? thanks in advance!

 

[Whocares05050]

For Jared's sake, I won't say who makes them, but we all pretty much know its one company in Miami that does a bunch of mild steel exhaust work.

FWIW, when NA our 2011 5.0L dropped a tenth and picked up a MPH when I deleted the cats. Now that it has a rouscharger on it running low 10s, I think not having the cats has helped even more. We recently put longtubes on it, there was a gain, but not as larger as what some manufacturers are claiming.

I could be wrong, but im pretty sure theres only one shop in miami that actually has a mandrel bender, and works with aluminized steel and stainless. I could be wrong. Either way, im glad the BS was sorted out.