Might be shopping for an 05-09 GT soon

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I've wanted a Mustang for a long time. However, finances have always been too tight to afford one thanks to a massive day care bill, at least for the past 5-6 years. The original plan was to buy a brand new 17-18 GT w/ Perf. Pack but that was based on several investments panning out and they have not. That leaves around $5k and I'm willing to do another $5k-$7k for ~$200 payments for 3 years which would realistically be paid off in a year or so with tax refunds.

I would love to have a 5.0 but that just about triples the cost of the car. Instead it looks like I'll be looking at 4.6 05-09 models.

The car's main purpose will be a commuter 10-20 miles to work each day plus possibly commuting an hour each way to class (PhD) several times a month. I just wanted something fun that I can do most of the work on. The Mustang works well for that from what I've seen.

However, I've been told about a few HUGE issues to be aware of. The purpose of being here is to gain more info on those issues to either avoid them when shopping or address them quick when I have one.

Cam phaser, timing chain, and (manual) trans problems were what was mentioned to me elsewhere. I was told, especially in the 05's, that all are reoccurring issues that are hard to spot when shopping and can be costly to fix. Again, looking for thoughts and experience here.

I'm fine doing most things under a hood, suspension work, etc. But pulling a motor/apart (aside from a valve cover gasket and such) and doing anything with the trans is way above my skill level.

Please share your thoughts and experience as it relates to what to look, listen, and feel for when shopping and the realities of the problems I mentioned.

Additionally, I was thinking that throwing another $3k-$5k at the car a few years from now for a supercharger kit might be in the cards. But the 05-09 gives me the option to have a car with some pep without that cash as well. Do these cars need a new trans and a bunch of other costly additions/replacements to handle a blower well?

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I have an 05 gt. Red manual. I bought it for 8750 this past january. It had 93k miles on it. Clean everything and stock.

Only issue I had was alternator went out it has 119k miles on it now.

However, I changed a dead battery and everything went to hell. But I've talked to several Mustang owners and others said they've changed batteries all time in theirs and nothing like what happened to mine happened. Howver, if I had to do over, I would've still bought it. The 05 to 09 mustang is still a fantastic car. It may be 12 years old but some people less knowledgeable still thinks it's a new car. Makes me happy everyone I drive it.

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What part of the country are you located in? Sometimes members will know of solid cars for sale in their area.
 

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I have an 05 gt. Red manual. I bought it for 8750 this past january. It had 93k miles on it. Clean everything and stock.

Only issue I had was alternator went out it has 119k miles on it now.

However, I changed a dead battery and everything went to hell. But I've talked to several Mustang owners and others said they've changed batteries all time in theirs and nothing like what happened to mine happened. Howver, if I had to do over, I would've still bought it. The 05 to 09 mustang is still a fantastic car. It may be 12 years old but some people less knowledgeable still thinks it's a new car. Makes me happy everyone I drive it.

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Hmm...changing the battery screwed things up? Sounds like it might have been a coincidence. I've heard of that happening with other makes/models with things like trans fluid but never a change in battery (so long as it's the correct battery) causing those kinds of issues.

Thanks for sharing though!

-Emt1581

What part of the country are you located in? Sometimes members will know of solid cars for sale in their area.

I'm in Eastern PA. I guess I should have shared that in my profile. I'll fix it.

Thanks

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Ah you know electrical. All those wires, it's easy for things to go wrong.

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But also, I'm new to the s197 series. I've had a 99 cobra, a 99 v6 and an 04 gt so coming to an 05 gt s197 is a different world for me. It also has a lot more antitheft than the previous models. Example like the doors locked and windows down, you can put hand in and motion sensor goes off

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Another thing to think about is do you plan on driving it in the winter time? If not, do you have a garage or would you have get a storage unit? I got a 08 Bullitt and had zero problems with it. It's only got 21,xxx miles on it though.
 

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Another thing to think about is do you plan on driving it in the winter time? If not, do you have a garage or would you have get a storage unit? I got a 08 Bullitt and had zero problems with it. It's only got 21,xxx miles on it though.

Nope no plans for winter driving and a 2 car garage.

If winter driving was a priority I'd be posting on an STI forum.

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The alternators on these cars aren't very good. I had my car a month an mine crapped out on me. 58k miles. I've got 71k now an no other issues except a dirty throttle body which was a piece of cake to clean.
 

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I have an 05 I brought brand new in January of that year. It was raced hard from 2006 through 2011, and has a lot of bolt ons. In terms of failures, I had the manual trans rebuilt but that was due to track time. Last year I replaced the alternator with a PA branded version. It's had 3 batteries (the third is in it now). The shaker 1000 head unit was the most likely cause of battery drains as I have no problems now with an aftermarket unit in place (Raxiom). Frankly, this has been one of the most trouble free cars I've ever owned, and it's NOT been babied. 19k road miles the first year, the remainder of the 44k are either drag strip racing or terrorizing kids in their turbo pocket rockets on weekends. Furthermore, I'm looking for another Mustang to use as a daily driver and have been considering finding a lower mileage 05-09 to serve that purpose. Nice cars...
 

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I just brought my 2006 GT 5 months ago. For the last 30 years I have always wanted a 1969, but the prices keep it out of my reach.
Then I found this 2006 and now just love this car.
It is pretty much stock but still fun to drive.
Slowly adding bits to it. :gr_grin:
 

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I have a 2006 that I got in 2009 that I have put 70k miles on and besides the spark plugs and ebrake cable, all the breakdowns have been my own fault from racing and modding.


the alternator died at 97k miles and took a battery with it but I chalk that one up to maintenance. some guys with 3v cars go crazy over alternators but I just got whatever they had at advance auto and was on my way.

the volt guage in the car is absolutely pointless btw. when the alt died I measured 10.7 volts over the alternator at 2000rpm and the guage in the car was like "yeah dude its all cool"
 

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I just brought my 2006 GT 5 months ago. For the last 30 years I have always wanted a 1969, but the prices keep it out of my reach.
Then I found this 2006 and now just love this car.
It is pretty much stock but still fun to drive.
Slowly adding bits to it. :gr_grin:
1969 is my absolutely favorite year for the Mustang
The headlights along with the fog lights really make the 1969 stand out among vintage stangs. Along with so many options that year for different types of Mustang you wanted.
V6, convertible, grande, mach 1 with a 351 390 and 428, gt, boss 302, boss 429 and I think some Shelbys too if I'm not mistaken. Mach 1 has always been my favorite car. But the last year for the good stangs in the vintage era was 1970 imo. When 71 came out it was as though Mustang tanks had invaded the US lol.

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Sounds like the alternator is a popular replacement. But for $100-$200 that's not really a concern.

I want to go back to something from my OP...

"Cam phaser, timing chain, and (manual) trans problems were what was mentioned to me elsewhere. I was told, especially in the 05's, that all are reoccurring issues that are hard to spot when shopping and can be costly to fix. Again, looking for thoughts and experience here. "

Can someone please give me specifics here?

Thanks

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For my 05, it's a 12 year old car. Tranny shifts perfect, clutch is good still original timing belt. I do hear a little ticking which could be cam phasers. A lot of ford trucks had the same issue. It's just a little tick. I can't even hear it over my exhaust or my radio

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When my stang only had 36000 miles it made a bunch of ticking noises. Now it has 103k and it still makes all those same ticking noises after being over revved, sprayed, and over revved while sprayed.

Every where I have looked I have been told that the 3v is just a noisy motor and I think that is the case.

cam phaser and phaser noid problems do happen, but I don't think they are that common. fwiw most of the cam phaser problems I have heard of come from people using large cams and/or heavy valve springs at high rpm.
 

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When my stang only had 36000 miles it made a bunch of ticking noises. Now it has 103k and it still makes all those same ticking noises after being over revved, sprayed, and over revved while sprayed.

Every where I have looked I have been told that the 3v is just a noisy motor and I think that is the case.

cam phaser and phaser noid problems do happen, but I don't think they are that common. fwiw most of the cam phaser problems I have heard of come from people using large cams and/or heavy valve springs at high rpm.

So it sounds like a valve tap? My main concern is what it does the the motor over time and how it's fixed.

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"Cam phaser, timing chain, and (manual) trans problems were what was mentioned to me elsewhere. I was told, especially in the 05's, that all are reoccurring issues that are hard to spot when shopping and can be costly to fix. Again, looking for thoughts and experience here. "

No issues with my manual transmission on my 07 with 79k miles. This car was previously owned by a NASA/PCA instructor who liked to race his car so it wasn't babied either. I had an 08 that was just as reliable and it had rolled 86k miles before it got totaled. I can't speak for the automatics but with regular trans fluid & filter changes I imagine they are solid.

It's worth mentioning the 1-piece spark plug problems in the 05 to mid-08 cars. They've been known to break in two while being unscrewed if/when carbon buildup covers up the ground shield area of the spark plug and they seize inside the cylinder head. Ford has a TSB (see attached) that gives detailed instructions on removing the plugs without breaking them. To sum up the procedure, it's really just a matter of patience and carb cleaner. No special tools are required to follow the steps but if you do break a plug you will need to buy an extraction tool made for this job. I do believe this issue is overhyped on the internet (as is the cam phaser issue) but I'm throwing it out there in case you end up with a higher mileage car that needs the plugs changed.
 

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No issues with my manual transmission on my 07 with 79k miles. This car was previously owned by a NASA/PCA instructor who liked to race his car so it wasn't babied either. I had an 08 that was just as reliable and it had rolled 86k miles before it got totaled. I can't speak for the automatics but with regular trans fluid & filter changes I imagine they are solid.

It's worth mentioning the 1-piece spark plug problems in the 05 to mid-08 cars. They've been known to break in two while being unscrewed if/when carbon buildup covers up the ground shield area of the spark plug and they seize inside the cylinder head. Ford has a TSB (see attached) that gives detailed instructions on removing the plugs without breaking them. To sum up the procedure, it's really just a matter of patience and carb cleaner. No special tools are required to follow the steps but if you do break a plug you will need to buy an extraction tool made for this job. I do believe this issue is overhyped on the internet (as is the cam phaser issue) but I'm throwing it out there in case you end up with a higher mileage car that needs the plugs changed.

Yeah I did hear that the tune ups were a pain in the ass. Plugs cracking in half would just add insult to injury there.

But when it comes to the chain or the phasers....what are the long term consequences there?

In my experience, once the chain gets messed up at all, you're looking at an engine rebuild or replacement.

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yeah thats why I mentioned the plugs in my first post. I had to wait for a shank extractor kit and a porcelin extractor kit (2 different kits) to arrive in the mail before I could put my car back on the road.

Broke 4 out of 8 and that was with PB blaster and the engine warm.

Some people have mentioned using an impact to get them out. Its one of those things that sounds so stupid it just might work. I am not worried about trying it because I have both the extractor kits at my disposal. Just have to get some more m800 glue.


I see you really want to see about the timing chain and phasers, I have been around these parts and in mustang groups ever since before the s197 came out, you just don't hear about chain issues and you just don't hear about phaser issues unless somebody tried to use heavy valve springs without lockouts.
 
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about the plugs though, that being said, I just did the plugs on my 06 envoy denali 5.3 a month ago and I think I would rather just break off and then extract plugs that are right on top of the motor than snake all over the place for plugs that will come out, but are under the head in a engine bay designed for a straight six.
 

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