possibly the stupidest question yet..... (moved from for sale section)

[BruceH]

See what you did? Germaine is on a turbo high right now. He won't be able to sleep for 2 or 3 days.

 

[JeremyH]

See what you did? Germaine is on a turbo high right now. He won't be able to sleep for 2 or 3 days.

LOL.

He is right though, +1 to everything he answered in his last post.


I have rode-in/driven every type of power adder out there and alot of the brands too. I held off on a turbo for awhile for similar reasons, its a slightly more complicated install. This is my first turbo car, and its the last power adder i will ever use or want. The efficeiceny and pure speed of a turbo car is no match for any kind of supercharger all else being equal.

To the op, heres a good game plan/starting point that wont break the bank.

On3 kit minus shitty turbo, bov and wg = $1500

A good billet wheel turbo (precision or bullseye) $1000

tial 38mm wg (8-9psi spring) = $200

tial 50mm bov= $200

Some fuel mods and tuning and you are set! Will make 450rwhp no problem and gobs of torque.

Total= $3,000!

 

[Germeezy3]

See what you did? Germaine is on a turbo high right now. He won't be able to sleep for 2 or 3 days.

Well Bruce , I still await a ride in your corn powered beast...maybe I will come back from a drive in the passenger seat screaming positive displacement blower maniacally?

LOL.

He is right though, +1 to everything he answered in his last post.


I have rode-in/driven every type of power adder out there and alot of the brands too. I held off on a turbo for awhile fro similar reason, its a slightly more complicated install, this is my first tubro car, and it the last power adder i will ever use. The efficeiceny and pure speed of a turbo car is no match for any kind of supercharger all else being equal.

To the op, heres a good game plan/strting point that wont break the bank.

On3 kit minus shitty turbo, bov and wg = $1500

A good billet wheel turbo (precision or bullseye) $1000

tial 38mm wg (8-9psi spring) = $200

tial 50mm bov= $200

Some fuel mods and tuning and you are set! Will make 450rwhp no problem and gobs of torque.

Total= $3,000!

There really is no reason why our project car should not get a similar setup, unfortunately our areas premiere tuner decided to take a step back recently.

 

[BruceH]

Well Bruce , I still await a ride in your corn powered beast...maybe I will come back from a drive in the passenger seat screaming positive displacement blower maniacally?

Going off topic but since this is chit chat about forced induction well....

I have a surprise for the 22nd. More fuel, more boost, more timing. When it was originally tuned for e85 we couldn't get past 5700 rpms at 16 psi due to the gt500 pumps maxing out. Stepping down to 14 psi allowed 6400 rpm before fuel became an issue. I also called stop at 21.5 degrees of timing.

Two baps for fuel and I bumped the higher rpm timing to 23.5 with prp. BTW 5700 with 16 psi and only 17 degrees of timing was 575rwhp. Marc will have his new motor there with a big dose of F1 Procharger boost and I don't want to be too embarassed with my little 2.3 Whipple.

 

[Germeezy3]

Going off topic but since this is chit chat about forced induction well....

I have a surprise for the 22nd. More fuel, more boost, more timing. When it was originally tuned for e85 we couldn't get past 5700 rpms at 16 psi due to the gt500 pumps maxing out. Stepping down to 14 psi allowed 6400 rpm before fuel became an issue. I also called stop at 21.5 degrees of timing.

Two baps for fuel and I bumped the higher rpm timing to 23.5 with prp. BTW 5700 with 16 psi and only 17 degrees of timing was 575rwhp. Marc will have his new motor there with a big dose of F1 Procharger boost and I don't want to be too embarassed with my little 2.3 Whipple.

I saw Marc last weekend, he was talking about 18 to 20 psi which should net him around 680-700 rwhp. I am thinking carrying 16 psi to 6400 is going to net you somewhere in the mid sixes to high sixes especially with the large amount of timing E85 will take.

 

[JeremyH]

Going off topic but since this is chit chat about forced induction well....

I have a surprise for the 22nd. More fuel, more boost, more timing. When it was originally tuned for e85 we couldn't get past 5700 rpms at 16 psi due to the gt500 pumps maxing out. Stepping down to 14 psi allowed 6400 rpm before fuel became an issue. I also called stop at 21.5 degrees of timing.

Two baps for fuel and I bumped the higher rpm timing to 23.5 with prp. BTW 5700 with 16 psi and only 17 degrees of timing was 575rwhp. Marc will have his new motor there with a big dose of F1 Procharger boost and I don't want to be too embarassed with my little 2.3 Whipple.

What size injectors bruce?

oh btw
67mm turbo,93 octane, 14psi, 16.5 degrees total timing = 605rwhp.

I cant even fathom what e85 would do for my setup, it would be nuts. Turbo's love timing and need very little to make good power, one degree at that level easily pulls another 15-20rwhp.

With e85 and just 20-21 degrees of timing i could see my setup making 600rwhp at 12 psi. Not to mention the increase in spool/torque from the added fuel volume...

 

[Turk Carmichael]

The On3 turbo kit hotside is perfectly fine, you will need a dyno tune...which may take some time. You will also need an upgraded BOV over there cheap chinese crap one and a proper turbo. The turbo and BOV is where you should spend your money , because thats going to make the difference as far as driveability.[/QUOTE]

LOL.

He is right though, +1 to everything he answered in his last post.


I have rode-in/driven every type of power adder out there and alot of the brands too. I held off on a turbo for awhile for similar reasons, its a slightly more complicated install. This is my first turbo car, and its the last power adder i will ever use or want. The efficeiceny and pure speed of a turbo car is no match for any kind of supercharger all else being equal.

To the op, heres a good game plan/starting point that wont break the bank.

On3 kit minus shitty turbo, bov and wg = $1500

A good billet wheel turbo (precision or bullseye) $1000

tial 38mm wg (8-9psi spring) = $200

tial 50mm bov= $200

Some fuel mods and tuning and you are set! Will make 450rwhp no problem and gobs of torque.

Total= $3,000!

Thanks alot fellas!! I appreciate all the info!

 

[BruceH]

What size injectors bruce?

oh btw
67mm turbo,93 octane, 14psi, 16.5 degrees total timing = 605rwhp.

I cant even fathom what e85 would do for my setup, it would be nuts. Turbo's love timing and need very little to make good power, one degree at that level easily pulls another 15-20rwhp.

With e85 and just 20-21 degrees of timing i could see my setup making 600rwhp at 12 psi. Not to mention the increase in spool/torque from the added fuel volume...

Flow matched 80 lbs. They actually flowed at 80.5.

 

[JeremyH]

Flow matched 80 lbs. They actually flowed at 80.5.

Thanks, and this is twin pumps, twin baps too, right?

 

[BruceH]

Thanks, and this is twin pumps, twin baps too, right?

The baps aren't in yet. The second one gets here tomorrow. Yes GT500 pumps with the stock hat, harness, two fpdm's, stock rails and fuel lines.

 

[JeremyH]

The baps aren't in yet. The second one gets here tomorrow. Yes GT500 pumps with the stock hat, harness, two fpdm's, stock rails and fuel lines.

Gotcha, so you were able to make 575rwhp on e85 with no baps and 80's.

I have twin supercar pumps, a 40amp bap, and 60's and made 650rwhp on 93 with with alittle bit of room to grow, probably max this setup at around 700rwhp on 93.

I think just a swap to 80's on e85 and i should be able to get 600rwhp still as thats all i really need/want. However i do rev to 6800-7000 on ocasion so i will be interested to see how the baps help you.

 

[Germeezy3]

What size injectors bruce?

oh btw
67mm turbo,93 octane, 14psi, 16.5 degrees total timing = 605rwhp.

I cant even fathom what e85 would do for my setup, it would be nuts. Turbo's love timing and need very little to make good power, one degree at that level easily pulls another 15-20rwhp.

With e85 and just 20-21 degrees of timing i could see my setup making 600rwhp at 12 psi. Not to mention the increase in spool/torque from the added fuel volume...

An E85 Turbo build is pretty much my dream build, except in my area only a few stations have it so maybe pump with E85 added on demand.

 

[JeremyH]

An E85 Turbo build is pretty much my dream build, except in my area only a few stations have it so maybe pump with E85 added on demand.

I have an 85 station literally 2 minutes from my house , The stang is becomeing less of a street car, so with mpg not an issue, im seriously considering e85 in the future. Would love to do a pull to the same 600rwhp power level on e85 and lay it over the old graphs to see the difference.

 

[nicky chaos]

Will on3 sell their kit without the turbo/bov/wg?

 

[BruceH]

I have an 85 station literally 2 minutes from my house , The stang is becomeing less of a street car, so with mpg not an issue, im seriously considering e85 in the future. Would love to do a pull to the same 600rwhp power level on e85 and lay it over the old graphs to see the difference.

I've only lost 20% mpg. I switch back to pump gas at times. It's as easy as changing the tune and the 80's I have work great with gas too. I think forced induction gets more out of e85 than say a na flex fuel vehicle.

 

[JeremyH]

Will on3 sell their kit without the turbo/bov/wg?

YES.

I bought it like that and just used their hotside piping.

I talked to Chad from on3 on the phone and deleted multiple items from the kit before i ordered it.

 

[JeremyH]

I've only lost 20% mpg. I switch back to pump gas at times. It's as easy as changing the tune and the 80's I have work great with gas too. I think forced induction gets more out of e85 than say a na flex fuel vehicle.

Good point...

 

[Germeezy3]

I have an 85 station literally 2 minutes from my house , The stang is becomeing less of a street car, so with mpg not an issue, im seriously considering e85 in the future. Would love to do a pull to the same 600rwhp power level on e85 and lay it over the old graphs to see the difference.

Your motor will probably live forever at 600 rwhp on E85, I bet you can do it on 12 or 13 psi.

Will on3 sell their kit without the turbo/bov/wg?

You can find the On3 kit hot sides on Ebay.

I've only lost 20% mpg. I switch back to pump gas at times. It's as easy as changing the tune and the 80's I have work great with gas too. I think forced induction gets more out of e85 than say a na flex fuel vehicle.

Don't you use a GM style injector that is specifically flowed to your specs or did I hear you wrong? How did you get the 80's to work so well on dual fuels?

 

[nicky chaos]

YES.

I bought it like that and just used their hotside piping.

I talked to Chad from on3 on the phone and deleted multiple items from the kit before i ordered it.

Ah, okay. I've been reading over several different threads (a few of yours included) the last few days and wasn't sure if they still sold their kit stripped down. Definately got some gears turnin' in my head now thanks to you fella's.

 

[BruceH]

Your motor will probably live forever at 600 rwhp on E85, I bet you can do it on 12 or 13 psi.



You can find the On3 kit hot sides on Ebay.



Don't you use a GM style injector that is specifically flowed to your specs or did I hear you wrong? How did you get the 80's to work so well on dual fuels?

I bought the injectors from corvetteinjectors.com There aren't many choices for ev14 length injectors in the Ford world but come to find out ls2 motors use ev14.

I bought new gt500 injectors that had been modified to flow 80 lbs. As I found out gm guys really like frpp injectors. After watching the videos of different brands of injectors spraying it's easy to see why.

About dual fuels. John told me to expect about 4 years out of them if I ran e85 all the time. If some part of my system goes because of it then I'm prepared to replace but I don't expect anything to go. Unless gas goes way up again running e85 will be a sporadic thing for me.